Appeals Court Refuses to Rehear Ky. Commandments Case

[Revmitchell]

The Sixth District Circuit Court of Appeals upheld their January ruling in the case of ACLU v. Grayson County, Kentucky, in which they said Grayson County’s courthouse could keep a display that included the Ten Commandments.

The display, located on the second floor of Grayson County’s courthouse, is titled “Foundations of American Law and Government” and includes the Ten Commandments, Magna Carta, Mayflower Compact Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, Preamble to the Kentucky Constitution, Star-Spangled Banner, National Motto, and a picture of Lady Justice.


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[jaigner]

I have no problem with the Ten Commandments not being in the courthouse. Keeping them in government buildings portrays them as relics and has no benefit to the true cause of Christ.

Suggesting that people should follow God's gracious law to God's people without actually having a relationship with God in the first place is pure, straight moralism.

 

[billwald]

Agree with jaigner. Never did understand why Christians want Jewish laws posted in public. <G>

 

[ReformedBaptist]

In 2001, however, the ACLU of Kentucky filed a lawsuit against Grayson County, arguing that the government should “not endorse any one form of religion but [endeavor] to accommodate a plurality of ideas and beliefs."

The United States should uphold the Christian religion and not a plurality of ideas of beliefs.

 

[StefanM]

The United States should uphold the Christian religion and not a plurality of ideas of beliefs.

This idea is contrary to the Constitution. Even if in a moral sense the U.S. should do so, the 1st amendment forbids it.

 

[RAdam]

I have no problem with the Ten Commandments not being in the courthouse. Keeping them in government buildings portrays them as relics and has no benefit to the true cause of Christ.

Suggesting that people should follow God's gracious law to God's people without actually having a relationship with God in the first place is pure, straight moralism.

The idea that people think there is something wrong with people being encouraged to keep God's commandments is in any way a bad thing is pure straight nonsense.

The more people follow the bible the better for all of us. But, some of you would rather we wiped all traces of Christianity from our country save in churches, we should exclude from our history although it clearly belongs there, and we should, instead, promote a plurality of God dishonoring false religions. Yep, that will help our country.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The United States should uphold the Christian religion and not a plurality of ideas of beliefs.

Which Christian "religion"? The word Christian covers a lot of territory. While I understand your sentiment it does violate the spirit of the Constitution.

From the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[RAdam]

And, by the same token, Congress has no right to make any law respecting an establishment of religion.

 

[jaigner]

The idea that people think there is something wrong with people being encouraged to keep God's commandments is in any way a bad thing is pure straight nonsense.

The more people follow the bible the better for all of us. But, some of you would rather we wiped all traces of Christianity from our country save in churches, we should exclude from our history although it clearly belongs there, and we should, instead, promote a plurality of God dishonoring false religions. Yep, that will help our country.

I certainly don't want to rewrite history, and I acknowledge that Christianity has been the predominant civic standard in our country, but I am not of opinion that hearts will be changed by upholding Jewish law, either by legislation or as some sort of civic standard.

That law is to God's people; Israel first, and by extension, Christians.

Blessings.

 

[RAdam]

I certainly don't want to rewrite history, and I acknowledge that Christianity has been the predominant civic standard in our country, but I am not of opinion that hearts will be changed by upholding Jewish law, either by legislation or as some sort of civic standard.

That law is to God's people; Israel first, and by extension, Christians.

Blessings.

Well, first of all, we aren't talking about changing men's hearts, we are talking about society living up to a better standard than the one present, and the one we appear to be heading towards.

The spirit of God's moral law, as expressed in the letter of the ten commandments, is eternal and is to man universally. God has always expected men not to murder each other, worship the creature more than the creator, commit fornication and sodomy, etc. Societies that have grossly violated these laws at large have suffered severe consequences.

 

[jaigner]

Well, first of all, we aren't talking about changing men's hearts, we are talking about society living up to a better standard than the one present, and the one we appear to be heading towards.

The spirit of God's moral law, as expressed in the letter of the ten commandments, is eternal and is to man universally. God has always expected men not to murder each other, worship the creature more than the creator, commit fornication and sodomy, etc. Societies that have grossly violated these laws at large have suffered severe consequences.

We already have laws about murder, I think. We don't need to enforce Christianity as a moralistic code.

 

[RAdam]

We already have laws about murder, I think. We don't need to enforce Christianity as a moralistic code.

We aren't talking about "enforcing Christiantiy as a moralistic code." We are talking about God's eternal moral law, which goes beyond Christianity. I'm not advocating forcing people to line up and worship Christ. I'm saying that God has defined right and wrong forever, and it is in the best interest of our nation for our citizens to try to live by His moral law.

 

[saturneptune]

We aren't talking about "enforcing Christiantiy as a moralistic code." We are talking about God's eternal moral law, which goes beyond Christianity. I'm not advocating forcing people to line up and worship Christ. I'm saying that God has defined right and wrong forever, and it is in the best interest of our nation for our citizens to try to live by His moral law.

I agree with you all the way on this one. Frankly, I am proud to be from the state that is standing up for this. It sets a good example and sets us apart from the liberal trash that goes on in other places. It has nothing to do with being a "Christian document" or "Jewish." For anyone with any sense of history and precedence, the Ten Commandments, along with the other documents listed, all together form the basic foundation of our laws in America today. It is our basis I do not care if you believe that the purple people eater is a god.

For those of you that do not like the foundation of this country we call America, planes leave everyday for China, Iran, and Korea, and the tickets that are one way only cost you half price.

 

[jaigner]

I agree with you all the way on this one. Frankly, I am proud to be from the state that is standing up for this. It sets a good example and sets us apart from the liberal trash that goes on in other places. It has nothing to do with being a "Christian document" or "Jewish." For anyone with any sense of history and precedence, the Ten Commandments, along with the other documents listed, all together form the basic foundation of our laws in America today. It is our basis I do not care if you believe that the purple people eater is a god.

For those of you that do not like the foundation of this country we call America, planes leave everyday for China, Iran, and Korea, and the tickets that are one way only cost you half price.

Not saying I want to move, but it still seems to me that it's making a museum piece - a relic - out of Christianity.

 

[RAdam]

Not saying I want to move, but it still seems to me that it's making a museum piece - a relic - out of Christianity.

How is it doing that?

 

[jaigner]

How is it doing that?

Because it's setting up a relic from the U.S. past of a time when Christianity was the civic religion (certainly not the "official" or "universal" religion). Suggesting that non-believers adhere to God's gracious law to his people without having true, heart-warming faith only further cements Christianity as a museum piece and not a life-giving relationship.

On top of that, expecting people who have no heart connection to God's law to follow it is nothing short of moralism.

Besides, commadments are different from commands. They basically mean "Thou will do this if you love me" instead of a imperative command as a parent to a child ("Don't do that or else!). When my mom told me what to do, it was a command, not a "commandment."

The archaic language of the KJV (thou shalt)is misleading here, too). Most of the modern translations are much more on target.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Which Christian "religion"? The word Christian covers a lot of territory. While I understand your sentiment it does violate the spirit of the Constitution.

From the first amendment:

Protestant Christianity, namely, Biblical Christianity. Nor do I think my opinion violates the Constitution.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

We already have laws about murder, I think. We don't need to enforce Christianity as a moralistic code.

If we do not base our civil law on in the infallible Word of God, then what do we base our laws on?

 

[ReformedBaptist]

We already have laws about murder, I think. We don't need to enforce Christianity as a moralistic code.

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.... And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion ... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle." George Washington's Farewell Address

 

[Magnetic Poles]

If we do not base our civil law on in the infallible Word of God, then what do we base our laws on?

The Constitution, the views of enlightenment thinking, and to some degree, the ideals expressed in the Magna Carta. Funny that the founding document doesn't mention God or Christ as a source.