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evidence that homosexuality is a birth defect?
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Steadfast Fred
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Just another foolish attempt to justify sin.
Like stuttering.....I didnt know that!
Isn't a sin nature a birth defect that we all share due to Adam and Eve's disobedience?
Why should one particular sin be any different from the rest?
Couldn't have said it better myself. It isn't a birth defect. It's a sin defect. You know? I was born with a propensity to chase skirts. It's in my blood. But, I don't act on it. I'm a one woman man not necessarily by birth but by choice and conviction. And, a man with homosexual tendency's, whether he was born with them (which I doubt very seriously) or not, doesn't have to act on those desires.
Why should one particular sin be any different from the rest?
Couldn't have said it better myself. It isn't a birth defect. It's a sin defect. You know? I was born with a propensity to chase skirts. It's in my blood. But, I don't act on it. I'm a one woman man not necessarily by birth but by choice and conviction. And, a man with homosexual tendency's, whether he was born with them (which I doubt very seriously) or not, doesn't have to act on those desires.
OK so what ever happened to the word "Queer" right? Homosexuals are queer. God did not naturally make two men with all the equipment to procreate or two women getting together cant make a baby so what homosexuals really are is in fact queer & freaks of nature. Just say it plainly. Or as they liked to say "Say it loud & proud"
Ok, for the sake of argument (a very weak argument) homosexu@ltiy is due to genes -
Therefore if one identical twin is homosexu@l, his brother would have to be on also - correct?
Therefore if one identical twin is homosexu@l, his brother would have to be on also - correct?
If your asking me, I don't believe it's genetic so that line of reasoning doesn't hold water.
Not necessarily. Studies put it at about 50%.
I'm not a proponent of homsexuality; it's a sexual sin. As you put it, it's our choice to act on our natural urges.
Gold Dragon
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I believe there are significant genetic factors that contribute to homosexuality. There are many sinful behaviours that have strong genetic basis (ie alcoholism, violent crime, adultery). But ultimately we make choices and act on them. Our genes don't act for us. For some people, it is genetically harder than others to avoid certain types of sin.
Since we are all sinners, Christians should be able to empathize with that struggle when others go through it. That doesn't change the fact that we abhor the sinful behaviour of others just as we abhor the sinful behaviour of ourselves. Christ died for all sinners of all types of sin.
Regarding the article, this is about CAH (congenital adrenal hyperplasia), a rare genetic disorder where a missing enzyme causes girls affected to produce excess androgens (male hormones) which also results in ambiguous gender at birth. Many do become lesbians in later life. A treatment given to manage the symptoms also appears to reduce the incidence of CAH patients becoming lesbians. Excess male hormones is obviously less of an issue in boys affected.
Being a very rare disorder, CAH is obviously not why many lesbians are lesbians.
Since we are all sinners, Christians should be able to empathize with that struggle when others go through it. That doesn't change the fact that we abhor the sinful behaviour of others just as we abhor the sinful behaviour of ourselves. Christ died for all sinners of all types of sin.
Regarding the article, this is about CAH (congenital adrenal hyperplasia), a rare genetic disorder where a missing enzyme causes girls affected to produce excess androgens (male hormones) which also results in ambiguous gender at birth. Many do become lesbians in later life. A treatment given to manage the symptoms also appears to reduce the incidence of CAH patients becoming lesbians. Excess male hormones is obviously less of an issue in boys affected.
Being a very rare disorder, CAH is obviously not why many lesbians are lesbians.
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Thinkingstuff
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I believe sociopaths have a genetic disorder as well and not all sociopaths or sociopathic tendancies end up killing people. Its very possible a homosexual has a physical defect like a mentally retarted person. However, it doesn't excuse the sin. Its certainly a cross some will have to bare. Some heterosexuals have too much testosterone and can barely keep themselves from immorality because of it. Its all in my mind catogorized the same way.
I do not believe that it is a "birth defect".
There may be a genetic component that predisposes someone to a same sex attraction.
But that same sex attraction is no different than an opposite sex attraction in that we still have free will - by which to choose to resist or give in to the temptation.
I totally agree & above that we in todays society make it way too easy to give those with "Homosexual Proclivities" license to choose the deviant Queer Lifestyle. Today we are socially providing them acceptance by allowing Freakish marriages, open sexual relations in public areas etc This is the same actions on our part as enabling an alcoholic or Drug Addict lifestyle (that you know is heading downhill).
So call it what it really is "Sin"
Thinkingstuff
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The Attraction to a person of the same sex is what is being discussed. Now if a person acts on it, its a sin. I like women. I'm married but find other women attractive. If I act on my inclination its a sin. its not a sin being attracted to women. A defect can't be helped acting contrary to God's law can be helped.
TS....in your case however the world(society) views it as normal (though His own regard it as sin). Homosexuality is not viewed as normal by either society or His Own....who regard that as sin as well.
The homosexual subculture has made great strides in trying to convince "All" that it is indeed normal & should be accepted into society.
Thats why I emphasize the word Queer: Here are varied definitions of the word. No connotation I would care to accept & live with.
1.
strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different; singular: a queer notion of justice.
2.
of a questionable nature or character; suspicious; shady: Something queer about the language of the prospectus kept investors away.
3.
not feeling physically right or well; giddy, faint, or qualmish: to feel queer.
4.
mentally unbalanced or deranged.
5.
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a.
homosexual.
b.
effeminate; unmanly.
6.
Slang . bad, worthless, or counterfeit.
There was a time in history when the word "queer" simply meant "strange". It was quite acceptable in English society. Much the same as "gay". I really don't care what others may think, but I am usually a fairly gay man.
I also preferred the company of men over women up to my 30's. Did that make me socially homosexual? I don't think God alienated me because I preferred male companionship, but this seems to be how many debating homosexuality interpret it, rather than trying to understand a behaviour.
Cheers,
Jim
I also preferred the company of men over women up to my 30's. Did that make me socially homosexual? I don't think God alienated me because I preferred male companionship, but this seems to be how many debating homosexuality interpret it, rather than trying to understand a behaviour.
Cheers,
Jim
Some really queer statements your making there bloke.....probably because your a fairly gay guy!
Yea, Im being juvenile but you fellows from the UK are ever so cheekie
Yea, Im being juvenile but you fellows from the UK are ever so cheekie
Simply preferring the social companionship of other men is not the defining characteristic of a gay man.
But then you already knew that.
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