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Solution to overpaid teachers

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Gina B, Feb 22, 2011.

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  1. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    I don't know the author of this. Someone posted it on Facebook and she grabbed it from someone else and since I can't see that person, I don't know if she is the author of that!
    Here it is:

    Are you sick of highly paid teachers?
    Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!
    We can get that for less than minimum wage.

    That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).

    Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
    However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
    LET'S SEE....
    That's $585 X 180= $105,300
    per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

    What about those special
    education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an
    hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.
    Wait a minute -- there's
    something wrong here! There sure is!
    The average teacher's salary
    (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days
    = $277.77/per day/30
    students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

    Make a teacher smile; repost this to show appreciation for all educators.
     
    #1 Gina B, Feb 22, 2011
  2. Crabtownboy

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    1. Would you work for that wage?
    2. Would you reimburse them for additional classes they have to take and pay for to keep their teaching certificates?
    3. On that wage, would you buy materials for your classes that most teachers have to do?
    4. Would you pay them for the hours they have to put in grading papers and preparing lesson plans for future classes?
    5. Would you attend after hour meetings as teachers have to do?
    6. Would you willingly go to parent-teacher conferences at night?
    7. Would you willingly have dining hall duty?
    8. Would you willingly have bus duty?

    The list of additional duties could go on and on ... but you get my drift.

    Your list is as logical as saying a preacher only works three hours a week, one Sunday morning, one Sunday night and one Wednesday night.

    On my job with a company I worked, when I retired, about 236 days a year. How?

    104 days were weekends.
    25 days vacation
    7 holidays

    And I did not have to work nights planning the next day or weeks work and I did not have to grade papers ... and I did not have to take additional university classes, at night in the winter or in the summer. I could take vacation any time I wanted. I was not restricted to taking time in the summer.
     
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  3. Gina B

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    Quit being crabby and read the whole thing. :wavey:

    It's being sarcastic and saying just how much more a teacher would make if each parent paid them $3 an hour for babysitting rather than teaching, yet everyone complains they make too much when they make less than babysitters.
     
    #3 Gina B, Feb 22, 2011
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    Sorry Gina, but I get so tired of people taking cheap shots at teachers, preachers and others who are trying to do good. I owe so much to my teachers ... beyond just putting up with me. I wish I could go back and thank many. But that is impossible ... maybe in heaven.

    After I posted the entry I realized that it was not what I at first thought. I apologize if I offended you.
     
    #4 Crabtownboy, Feb 22, 2011
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    I must admit that, like you, Crabtownboy, my first reaction was to the thread title, and only when I read and re-read the OP did I reasise that the title was sarcastic!
     
    #5 David Lamb, Feb 22, 2011
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    Yeah, I rolled my eyes when I read the title myself, then kept going.
    I'm not offended at all, especially since you were upset for what you thought was a good cause.

    Hear about that teacher who is suspended and probably getting canned for telling the truth online...on a blog...anonymously?
     
    #6 Gina B, Feb 22, 2011
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    Forgot to consider the free parking they get every day they work! That's gotta be worth...what? $1.42 per hour per student?

    Seems reasonable.
     
    #7 Chessic, Feb 22, 2011
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    I never heard anyone say a teacher was overpaid.
     
    #8 mandym, Feb 22, 2011
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    I would not teach in an inner city school junior high or high school for less than $100K.

    Teachers should not be paid for advanced degrees. They should be paid bonuses based on the percentage of discount or free lunch kids in their classes.

    Each school should have a secret pole so each teacher can judge every other teacher and then post the results. Then Lay-off from the bottom of the list.
     
    #9 billwald, Feb 22, 2011
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    That part about percentages of free lunches caught me because I was going over some stuff the other day and the numbers caught my eye when I got to the percentage data on each school in the district.

    We have an elementary school close to the high school. The elementary school has over 70% eligibility for free lunches.
    The high school has around 35% eligibility.

    I'm not sure why. Maybe as parents get older they get better jobs and that combines with high school students being a bit self conscious to have their parents fill out the free lunch app. Otherwise it really makes no sense since it is the same district, the schools are so extremely close to each other, and some students have siblings at that elementary school.

    Mandym, are you a female and a pastor? I went and looked at your profile trying to find where you may have ever made a comment that could be construed as positive and noticed that on your profile so I'm curious. Of course your screen name could be Man dym, or you could be a man named Mandy, or your girlfriend's name could be Mandy, but whatever the case I'm just sittin' here wondering. Mostly because I have nothing better to do right now.
     
    #10 Gina B, Feb 22, 2011
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    Too bad the internet doesn't have an "undo feature". :laugh:

    Ring any bells? :laugh:
     
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    Gina, I would accept your proposal if the teachers were only paid for the students that make proficiency at the end of the school year.

    In that case your proposed pay would have to be reduced by about 66%.

    And your $105K becomes $36K.

    Where else than in a teachers union - or government - is a 34% success rate rewarded with above average pay and benefits?
     
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    Baseball players - you hit at a 30% rate and you are a millionaire
     
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  14. Gina B

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    The proposal was a copy and paste, nothing to do with me. I just found it amusing.

    Why do you believe teachers should be paid based on student performance? I'm just curious.

    I'm not saying this happens or anything, but let's say we live in an imaginary country on an imaginary planet. That town is names Dal and is part of a bigger place named The United Mates and is on the planet Mirth. In this totally made up country that is on a planet outside our solar system, the parents raise their children without a decent set of what we earthlings would call "standards and morals." That means that during specialized learning sessions in special buildings in Dal, the young Dal-Mations listen to these weird pod machines that make uncivilized vibrating noises, talk back to their leaders, and ingest smirbs, which can be smoked or snorted, alter the mind, and are illegal in the United Mates. Some of them even carry ray guns to protect their smirbs and those that might go the bigger leaders and get the wayward Dal-Mations foot-cuffed and thrown into lightly sanded beachy areas where, named after their tendency to gather in groups and pinch people, their toes will be made uncomfortable by mobster attacks.
    Should these true-in-story-only leaders be held responsible for the behavior of these non-existent, made up, fictional characters?

    Let alone have their livelihood depend on it?

    Just sayin'.

    *disclaimer* I speak only of a non-existant faction of non-earth dwellers on the planet Mirth. This is in no way meant to reflect or pertain whatsoever to the action or inaction of any parent, teacher, or other human being, past, present, or future who live in any given country on the complete and utterly real planet Earth. Which may not even be real, but only a figment of a giant something's imagination. My philosophy teacher taught me that. Except I didn't take philosophy. Odd, huh?
     
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    I never took you for the sort that would go around hitting baseball players, but hey, if it pays the bills, knock 'em out! :laugh:
     
    #15 Gina B, Feb 22, 2011
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    It's commonly called "merit pay" and I didn't dream it up.

    Good teachers should be compensated better than poor teachers.

    Good work is normally compensated better than poor work...

    Well it is outside of the union world anyway. :rolleyes:
     
    #16 targus, Feb 22, 2011
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    I'm aware of it from my dealings with planet Mirth. It works great for them up until high school. Enter the paradigm shift concept.
    The leaders must then be set apart based on observation, performance in comparison to similar classes, etc.. Basing it on overall performance once the higher years are reached is kinda like if someone here on earth started blaming the President for citizens not voting.
     
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    Good teachers deserve every dime and then some. There are however a lot of teachers these days that don't teach and they don't deserve what they get paid. They see a job where you get summers off for decent pay and go to college for it. I don't blame them but I'd much rather have a passionate teacher then one who's there for the benefits.
     
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    Public school teachers are public servants, but not like police officers or firefighters or the military who provide an essential service. When determining the wages of public servants, who is owed more than those who protect life, liberty and property?

    Parents are responsible for the education of their children, and school teachers help them do that. They provide a service for families, much like nursemaids. They have to understand that.

    I was a highschool teacher right after college, but I don't have the constitution to put up with a lot of foolishness, so I quit. Kids need their mouths slapped and their butts beat. Then they'd find reading, writing and 'rithmetic not so disagreeable.

    That said, the problem with education is not the teachers' salaries, but much of the foolishness that goes on in the name of education: Transportation, sports, student services, i.e.,services for pregnant students and teenmothers, breakfast and lunch, and other welfare, etc.

    Then there's the money sunk into each and every new educational philosophy belched by the universities.

    Then there's the fraud and waste that just goes hand in hand with gov'mint.
     
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    That quote should be carved in stone and hung over the entrance of every school.
     
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