National Guard tries to drive under water

[freeatlast]

Need to admit what? That I've never driven an LMTV, so I wouldn't have tried what they did? I'll admit that freely. I've ridden in the back of one, but that doesn't qualify me to drive one (I have a military license for HMMWV, and have driven/ridden in hummers in situations where the water was well above the floorboard, requiring me to dry off afterwards). I had a license for deuce-and-a-half once upon a time, but the deuce is nothing like the LMTV.

Here's the problem with your assumption, Free: Was this the first time those National Guardsmen had driven in those conditions? If you can't definitively say "yes," then you're the one that's in error. It's entirely possible that they had driven in exactly the same conditions earlier in the day without any problems. Or that they had driven in exactly the same conditions while deployed. So it's entirely possible that they made the decision to drive in those conditions based on their prior experience.

It's also a known fact that military vehicles, including aircraft, are capable of more than the published limitations. The published limitations are a minimum threshold for safety; you can actually push most of the vehicles and aircraft beyond those limits, but you stress the mechanics of the vehicle and decrease its lifecycle. Knowing this, the drivers in the vehicles may have chosen to push the limits in order to assist others.

And referring back to another thread, it's also entirely possible that they were ordered to drive in those conditions. In which case, you're laughing at them for doing what you say they should do without question: follow orders. Unless you're indicating that they should have used common sense and disobeyed the order; in which case, that makes you a hypocrite....

But you and I don't know what they were thinking when they made the decision to drive in those conditions, do we? We don't know their past experience, their training on this particular vehicle, any of that, do we?

If you can't definitively prove that they've never done it before, or that their training was, in fact, deficient, then all you've done is presumed the worst and derided those that were trying to help others.

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Will you apologize for your continual offensiveness? Because it's quite obvious now that you're adding the laughing smiley just to goad us--even after being told it was offensive. That speaks volumes about your personality and character, doesn't it?

Don I agree with you it very well could have been flawed training due to first tiume driving or what ever else. However even with that the situation was dumb as who drives into water over their head? It was a dumb move and it was funny. :laugh:

 

[Arbo]

Don, Padre, Salty- You're wasting your time with him. Know-it-all types rarely admit their wrongs when exposed.

FAL- Would you still be making light of this if one of them had drowned?

 

[freeatlast]

Don, Padre, Salty- You're wasting your time with him. Know-it-all types rarely admit their wrongs when exposed.

FAL- Would you still be making light of this if one of them had drowned?

No but no one drowned, however it would not make it any less dumb.

 

[Salty]

Don, Padre, Salty- You're wasting your time with him. Know-it-all types rarely admit their wrongs when exposed.

You do have a point, but I am still interested in Frees military service or lack thereof

 

[Don]

Don I agree with you it very well could have been flawed training due to first tiume driving or what ever else.

Glad you agree that it very well could have been the third, fifth, or 17th time they've driven in such conditions.

...who drives into water over their head?

Oh, I dunno; someone who's trying to save someone else's life?

 

[padredurand]

Padre - your son has what I would consider one of the worst, and possibly the most important, jobs in the military. Definitely can take a toll mentally. I'll keep him in my prayers.

Only one mistake allowed per career. I am confident there was a lot of praying going on in those HMMWVs. "Please don't let it get any deeper. Please don't let it get any deeper....."

 

[Salty]

Only one mistake allowed per career. I am confident there was a lot of praying going on in those HMMWVs. "Please don't let it get any deeper. Please don't let it get any deeper....."

There are no atheists in foxholes - or extremely deep water raying:

 

[freeatlast]

Glad you agree that it very well could have been the third, fifth, or 17th time they've driven in such conditions.

Oh, I dunno; someone who's trying to save someone else's life?

The fact is they done a dumb thing. :laugh:

 

[freeatlast]

Only one mistake allowed per career. I am confident there was a lot of praying going on in those HMMWVs. "Please don't let it get any deeper. Please don't let it get any deeper....."

That is a good one. :laugh:

 

[padredurand]

There are no atheists in foxholes - or extremely deep water raying:

My son watched the video. His reply? Epic fail. Apparently that is a common phrase in the Army. EOD's motto is Initial Success or Total Failure.

Back to the OP. These soldiers weren't playing, horsing around or trying to go viral on Youtube. They were citizen soldiers tasked with rescuing living, breathing human beings from the peril of flood. They left their homes and families behind, put on their battle-rattle and went to work. To call what happened dumb minimizes their unselfish service to their fellow man to something short of a stupid prank gone wrong.

 

[freeatlast]

My son watched the video. His reply? Epic fail. Apparently that is a common phrase in the Army. EOD's motto is Initial Success or Total Failure.

Back to the OP. These soldiers weren't playing, horsing around or trying to go viral on Youtube. They were citizen soldiers tasked with rescuing living, breathing human beings from the peril of flood. They left their homes and families behind, put on their battle-rattle and went to work. To call what happened dumb minimizes their unselfish service to their fellow man to something short of a stupid prank gone wrong.

Their actions put those who were already in trouble in deeper trouble and it was dumb.

 

[padredurand]

Their actions put those who were already in trouble in deeper trouble and it was dumb.

Did you make a bet with someone that you could use the word dumb 30 times today? Deeper trouble? Part of me wants to know how your mind churned out that conclusion. The other part of me concedes that I'll just have to leave you to your opinion. You are free to prattle about.

I am, for one, grateful for all the dummies that serve around the world.

 

[Don]

The fact is they done a dumb thing.

I'm going to ask nicely for a third time: please stop using the laughing emoticon. As previously stated, it's obvious you're intentionally trying to be offensive.

 

[Don]

Did you make a bet with someone that you could use the word dumb 30 times today? Deeper trouble? Part of me wants to know how your mind churned out that conclusion. The other part of me concedes that I'll just have to leave you to your opinion. You are free to prattle about.

I am, for one, grateful for all the dummies that serve around the world.

Hey, it's his opinion. Just hope he remembers they're like armpits: everyone's got two, and some smell worse than others.

And some, a LOT worse. . . .

 

[freeatlast]

Did you make a bet with someone that you could use the word dumb 30 times today? Deeper trouble? Part of me wants to know how your mind churned out that conclusion. The other part of me concedes that I'll just have to leave you to your opinion. You are free to prattle about.

I am, for one, grateful for all the dummies that serve around the world.

It is sad that you think our military are all dummies, but that is your right. Some do dumb things like those in the water video but certainly they are not all dummies, but again it is your right to believe that.

 

[freeatlast]

I'm going to ask nicely for a third time: please stop using the laughing emoticon. As previously stated, it's obvious you're intentionally trying to be offensive.

I use them where I feel they belong. Since the icons has nothing to do with you get over it! :laugh:

 

[InTheLight]

I'm going to ask nicely for a third time: please stop using the laughing emoticon. As previously stated, it's obvious you're intentionally trying to be offensive.

K-I-L-L-F-I-L-E, KILLFILE.

Otherwise known as the Ignore feature in your User CP.

 

[Don]

K-I-L-L-F-I-L-E, KILLFILE.

Otherwise known as the Ignore feature in your User CP.

Nah; see, I had my own agenda. You'll note that I previously provided a post with multiple, logical, intelligent reasons his assumption was unwarranted; and that I notified him that his posts were offensive, and asked him to stop doing the offensive things multiple times. Now, since he won't admit how invalid his position is, and he publicly refused a request from a fellow Christian, coupled with his obvious baiting over the last couple of pages, it should be pretty clear to everyone what kind of person he is; and thus, how little his opinions really mean.

Although he was doing a pretty good job of self-character-assassination on his own, I wanted to ensure the "worthiness" of his character and opinions were publicly displayed for all.

 

[padredurand]

It is sad that you think our military are all dummies, but that is your right. Some do dumb things like those in the water video but certainly they are not all dummies, but again it is your right to believe that.

I didn't think you would master prattling so quickly.

 

[freeatlast]

I didn't think you would master prattling so quickly.

See even you can learn, :laugh: