New requirement for the S A T's

[Salty]

S A T is now going to require photo ID to take the test starting this fall.

Hmm - seems like I heard something similar recently.

wonder if the SCOTUS will uphold this?

where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when you need them.

Come on we all now the real reason for photo ID - they are trying to keep certain people out of college.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[InTheLight]

S A T is now going to require photo ID to take the test starting this fall.

Hmm - seems like I heard something similar recently.

wonder if the SCOTUS will uphold this?

where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when you need them.

Come on we all now the real reason for photo ID - they are trying to keep certain people out of college.:smilewinkgrin:

The College Board, the entity that administers the SAT test, is not a government entity. Since they are a private entity they can institute any rules they want. It is not a constitutional right to take a SAT test. There is no reason for SCOTUS to get involved.

 

[Salty]

The College Board, the entity that administers the SAT test, is not a government entity. Since they are a private entity they can institute any rules they want. It is not a constitutional right to take a SAT test. There is no reason for SCOTUS to get involved.

Shopping at a local grocery store is not a constitutional right. Therefore, according to you, a store may insitute any rules they want - including who may shop there.

 

[InTheLight]

Shopping at a local grocery store is not a constitutional right. Therefore, according to you, a store may insitute any rules they want - including who may shop there.

Actually, yes they can.

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

I know people who cheated on the SAT's by having someone else take the test for them.

I have zero problem with this. The fact that a person could be accepted into a college they shouldn't be getting into, and possibly getting some time of tuition assistance because of their score...well, it needs to be fair.

I had a mediocre GPA in HS. But I scored pretty high on my SAT's. I was able to get a little more tuition assitance because of that, but had I scored lower I probably wouldn't have because my HS GPA wasn't all that impressive. This could literally cost a kid who is deserving of assistance to not get it, if the cheating is as bad as they say it is.

 

[Salty]

I know people who cheated on the SAT's by having someone else take the test for them.

And that is the reason for the new rule. But it wouldn't surprise me if the likes of Jackson or Sharpton will bend it to say it is meant to keep black kids out of white colleges as many of those kids cannot afford to buy a govt ID.

Actually, yes they can.

An individual may be prohibited from coming in, but if the store said "NO BLACKS ALLOWED" now that would be unconstitutional.

Salty

PS - I'm sure you knew thats what I was talking about.

 

[InTheLight]

And that is the reason for the new rule. But it wouldn't surprise me if the likes of Jackson or Sharpton will bend it to say it is meant to keep black kids out of white colleges as many of those kids cannot afford to buy a govt ID.



An individual may be prohibited from coming in, but if the store said "NO BLACKS ALLOWED" now that would be unconstitutional.

Salty

PS - I'm sure you knew thats what I was talking about.

I was 90% sure it was what you were referring to. But there is no law that can compel a business owner to sell something to anyone.

 

[Salty]

I was 90% sure it was what you were referring to. But there is no law that can compel a business owner to sell something to anyone.

Depends - you can not discriminate based on race, color, religion, ect.

Now if you refuse to sell to a black kid, chance are you will have to prove it was for some other reason, not simply because he was black. Another words - you the owner are guilty of discrimination until proven innocent.

I know, I know - you are presumed innocent until proven until guilty, but.....

 

[InTheLight]

Depends - you can not discriminate based on race, color, religion, ect.

Now if you refuse to sell to a black kid, chance are you will have to prove it was for some other reason, not simply because he was black. Another words - you the owner are guilty of discrimination until proven innocent.

Why would a business owner need to give a reason?

 

[Salty]

Why would a business owner need to give a reason?

Because the law says you can not discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, handicap, religion, and a couple other "protected" classes.

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

Because the law says you can not discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, handicap, religion, and a couple other "protected" classes.

As bad as it sounds...depending on the type of business...a small business owner can get away with anything, and their response can be "because I didn't want too"...and that's usually good enough.

 

[Salty]

As bad as it sounds...depending on the type of business...a small business owner can get away with anything, and their response can be "because I didn't want too"...and that's usually good enough.

Then all the victim has to do is contact a local TV station - get lots of coverage and then some high price lawyer will get involved....

 

[InTheLight]

Then all the victim has to do is contact a local TV station - get lots of coverage and then some high price lawyer will get involved....

You've mentioned that you work at a Ford dealership selling vehicles. Has the store ever NOT sold a vehicle to someone? Of course they've declined to sell vehicles to people, usually it's related to price, but it doesn't have to be. The law can't force a person to sell something.

 

[InTheLight]

As bad as it sounds...depending on the type of business...a small business owner can get away with anything, and their response can be "because I didn't want too"...and that's usually good enough.

Pretty much, that's it. If I decided I didn't want to sell to someone and they objected and raised a stink about it, I'd simply say, "I didn't like their attitude." End of story. Restaurants and night clubs turn people away all the time.

 

[Salty]

You've mentioned that you work at a Ford dealership selling vehicles. Has the store ever NOT sold a vehicle to someone? Of course they've declined to sell vehicles to people, usually it's related to price, but it doesn't have to be. The law can't force a person to sell something.

when we send in the credit ap, it does not state the persons race.

I will find some case law later when I get a chance

 

[billwald]

The SAT is administered by a private organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_Testing_Service

Surely no right wing Republican would object to them setting any universally applied application requirements.

 

[targus]

The SAT is administered by a private organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_Testing_Service

Surely no right wing Republican would object to them setting any universally applied application requirements.

And yet again billwald fails to understand the topic.

It is being pointed out that pictures for proof of ID are used to take an SAT test...

But the libs want no ID requirement to vote.

A MENSA IQ is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

Pretty much, that's it. If I decided I didn't want to sell to someone and they objected and raised a stink about it, I'd simply say, "I didn't like their attitude." End of story. Restaurants and night clubs turn people away all the time.

Yep. Small businesses can get away with this basically with no issue. If you run one, you have to decide if for whatever reason you do turn someone away, will it be worth it?

 

[billwald]

MINEOLA, N.Y. — Students taking college entrance exams this fall will have to submit photo IDs with their applications — a key security upgrade after a widespread cheating scandal at a number of high schools on Long Island, a prosecutor and testing officials announced Tuesday.

The 2nd post protested the new requirement.

Targus is an ESL reader?

 

[billwald]

Disregard previous post.