Elvis Bible

[Mexdeaf]

So what you're saying is that, in reality, their fervent denunciations of Presley's (or, if you move it up another decade, the Beatles, etc., etc.) songs was based upon traditions/preferences more than a "Thus saith the LORD, ...." (with perhaps a little 'Anti Black' racism thrown in for good measure), right?!!? :smilewinkgrin:

It's not PC to admit that but, yes.

 

[Yeshua1]

It's not PC to admit that but, yes.

that what made elvis so dangerous to southern culture, as he a white man able to sing and move as "a colored', and thus bring together the whites and black cultures!

 

[ktn4eg]

that what made elvis so dangerous to southern culture, as he a white man able to sing and move as "a colored', and thus bring together the whites and black cultures!

But, silly me, I thought that Christ did away with such superficial distinctions such as ethnicity (e.g., in the case of NT times, Jews and "Greek" [i.e.,Gentiles]), didn't He? (Galatians 3:28a)

 

[Yeshua1]

But, silly me, I thought that Christ did away with such superficial distinctions such as ethnicity (e.g., in the case of NT times, Jews and "Greek" [i.e.,Gentiles]), didn't He? (Galatians 3:28a)

He did, but it took the South a LONG time to realise that truth, even among the Clergy!

 

[ktn4eg]

He did, but it took the South a LONG time to realise that truth, even among the Clergy!

Why do you suppose that was so?

Wasn't "the South" supposed to be "the BIBLE BELT" (as opposed to "the North" and/or the midwest, the west coast, etc.)?

Seems to me that if you lived/preached in "The BIBLE Belt," doesn't it stand to reason that you'd probably know more and practice more of the BIBLE'S resulting teachings and/or practices than those people/preachers who didn't live in the "BIBLE belt"?!!?

 

[Van]

You're right...We will never completely agree as long as you advocate the non-Scriptural KJVO myth. I refuse to budge from believing only those doctrines of worship derived from Scripture.

And I'll tell ya my view of Calvinism in case you're curious...I reject most of it, especially the predestination parts. If everyone is predestinated already, with no chance to change it, why worship at all?

Hi Robycop3, we probably disagree on many views of scripture, but we seem to agree on these two points. Maybe we could start a trend advocating something we might call "scripture alone."

BTW, I looked at my KJV of Job 19:5 and it matched the version in the video, including having "yourselves" in italics. I like it when folks check the text rather than accept what others say. Perhaps we could advocate that too, as part of living by the Word of God and not the clever stories of men.

Have a great day.

 

[Yeshua1]

Why do you suppose that was so?

Wasn't "the South" supposed to be "the BIBLE BELT" (as opposed to "the North" and/or the midwest, the west coast, etc.)?

Seems to me that if you lived/preached in "The BIBLE Belt," doesn't it stand to reason that you'd probably know more and practice more of the BIBLE'S resulting teachings and/or practices than those people/preachers who didn't live in the "BIBLE belt"?!!?

should have been, but in regards to prejudice and misapplication of the Binble, the 'Bible belt" failed miserable to a large extant!

 

[Oldtimer]

should have been, but in regards to prejudice and misapplication of the Binble, the 'Bible belt" failed miserable to a large extant!

Location: Metro Detroit

I see your prejudice is showing, too.

How about some stats to prove your statement.

Prove that professing, God-fearing, born again, Christians in the "Bible Belt" fail at rate any different from any other area of this country, now or in the past.

 

[Oldtimer]

that what made elvis so dangerous to southern culture, as he a white man able to sing and move as "a colored', and thus bring together the whites and black cultures!

Funny.... I was a teenager, actually watched the live version of Ed Sullivan's show.

Elvis Aaron Presley was born in Tupelo, Mississippi on January 8th, 1935, but it probably wasn’t until his September 9th, 1956 appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show that America witnessed the birth of “The King of Rock ‘n’ Roll.”

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This young man, whose sound and raw, energetic performances went against everything the conservative Eisenhower era stood for, captivated the youth of America. That night on the Sullivan show, Elvis entered living rooms across the country and created a cultural revolution that changed musical tastes and entertainment forever.

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By the time of his next appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show, October 28th, 1956............

Following the broadcast, which again enjoyed huge ratings, Elvis was burned in effigy by angry crowds in Nashville and St. Louis. The popular press was also critical of his style and movements. Rock and roll was increasingly attacked and there was growing opposition to its supposedly negative influence on America’s youth. The more the establishment pushed back, the more Elvis’s support grew from millions of teenagers.

http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/elvis-presley
Emphasis added.

As a teenager, I heard, first hand, the objections to Elvis Presley and Rock & Roll. Generally, they were rolled up in one bundle, with Elvis being criticized for his hip gyrations. Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fabian, and others, except Ricky Nelson were pure evil.

It was many years later before I began to read of the emphasis being placed on the "color" issue. To the best of my memory, I never heard that brought up by those trying to convience us, AT THE TIME, that we'd go to hell if we didn't reject the evils of rock and roll. Perhaps "color" was discussed somewhere, to some degree. But, here, at least, it was not presented as being "dangerous to southern culture". Rock and roll, itself, was the danger, not the vocal tones of an individual performer.

History was written, and then re-written, and continues to be re-written by those using 20/20 (not really) hindsight of their preceptions/bias to influence others.

 

[ktn4eg]

Which leads me back to my post of 09/13 wherein I observed that apparently in this day and age it seems that it's OK to listen to the same music that Elvis, etc., sang so long as it's in a slower, oftentimes in an orchestrated arrangement (e.g., "easy listening" and/or "the 'golden' age of Rock" [such as in those "Time-Life Records" infomercials]).

If that music was roundly condemned as "godless" and/or "sinful" back then (which, here again I believe that it actually was/is), why is it not apparently "godless" and/or "sinful" in the eyes of many preachers today?

Aren't such sins as murder, adultery, etc., still sins today just as much as when God told Moses that they were "way back then"?

If the above mentioned never stopped being sins, why then isn't the music of Elvis, or if you go back to, say, the mid 1960's, the Beatles and/or the Beach Boys, etc., not considered (at least by some) not as "godless" and/or "sinful" now days?

 

[Oldtimer]

If the above mentioned never stopped being sins, why then isn't the music of Elvis, or if you go back to, say, the mid 1960's, the Beatles and/or the Beach Boys, etc., not considered (at least by some) not as "godless" and/or "sinful" now days?

Because some of teenagers of the 50's & 60's, who wanted to hear that music, are in the pulpits of today.

Because much of that music is "tame" in comparision to what's on the airwaves today. Often what was implied back then is now explicit.

Because, back then, PARENTS and preachers condemmed that style of music in both words and actions in the case of parents. In my case there was ONE record player in the house. If my parents didn't want to hear what was on a 45 record, I couldn't play it, if they were at home. (Usually were!)

Because today, in the church, the "fight" is centered on CCM, in the church. In practice, how many ignore/tolerate/condone worldly music as long as it doesn't cross the threshold of the church door?

Because today, in the viewpoint of many, explicit music must be kept out of the church. Yet, that's what they listen to on the way home after Sunday worship. Have you ever walked with another member to their car and heard the radio come on when they started the engine? It's a vivid contrast when a choir member has just sung The Old Rugged Cross and their radio is playing "Like a Virgin".

 

[Yeshua1]

Location: Metro Detroit

I see your prejudice is showing, too.

How about some stats to prove your statement.

Prove that professing, God-fearing, born again, Christians in the "Bible Belt" fail at rate any different from any other area of this country, now or in the past.

question...

The South segregated Blacks/Whites until Supreme Court, right?

Police unleased attack dogs and water hoses on blacks, right?

White clergy were supporting that, and the Klan was big in the south, right?

ALL used the Bible to support it!

 

[Yeshua1]

Because some of teenagers of the 50's & 60's, who wanted to hear that music, are in the pulpits of today.

Because much of that music is "tame" in comparision to what's on the airwaves today. Often what was implied back then is now explicit.

Because, back then, PARENTS and preachers condemmed that style of music in both words and actions in the case of parents. In my case there was ONE record player in the house. If my parents didn't want to hear what was on a 45 record, I couldn't play it, if they were at home. (Usually were!)

Because today, in the church, the "fight" is centered on CCM, in the church. In practice, how many ignore/tolerate/condone worldly music as long as it doesn't cross the threshold of the church door?

Because today, in the viewpoint of many, explicit music must be kept out of the church. Yet, that's what they listen to on the way home after Sunday worship. Have you ever walked with another member to their car and heard the radio come on when they started the engine? It's a vivid contrast when a choir member has just sung The Old Rugged Cross and their radio is playing "Like a Virgin".

Point is that the clergy had little biblical support to ban Elvis, or black artists, as that was pretty much preference problem!

 

[David Michael Harris]

Anything underlined or any notes, doubt it but hope so.

 

[Oldtimer]

question...

The South segregated Blacks/Whites until Supreme Court, right?

Police unleased attack dogs and water hoses on blacks, right?

White clergy were supporting that, and the Klan was big in the south, right?

ALL used the Bible to support it!

None of that answers my question.

A few minutes with google can result in a bigger list of "northern" bashing than the one you just presented. Maybe within your own city over the last 150 years or so.

How about just answering my question, since apparently you're determined to "play the race card", as a way to avoid supporting your prior statements.

Again:
Prove that professing, God-fearing, born again, Christians in the "Bible Belt" fail at rate any different from any other area of this country, now or in the past.

 

[Oldtimer]

Anything underlined or any notes, doubt it but hope so.

David, are you referring to the underlined "in the church" in my post?

As to "notes", notes from whom? (If this is in reference to my post.)

Notes from someone else to verify my own experiences, growing up in southern USA, when Elvis Presley became the dominate force in the rock and roll "revolution"?

 

[David Michael Harris]

David, are you referring to the underlined "in the church" in my post?

As to "notes", notes from whom? (If this is in reference to my post.)

Notes from someone else to verify my own experiences, growing up in southern USA, when Elvis Presley became the dominate force in the rock and roll "revolution"?

Was Elvis a Christian? I don't know, hope he was.

 

[Yeshua1]

None of that answers my question.

A few minutes with google can result in a bigger list of "northern" bashing than the one you just presented. Maybe within your own city over the last 150 years or so.

How about just answering my question, since apparently you're determined to "play the race card", as a way to avoid supporting your prior statements.

Again:
Prove that professing, God-fearing, born again, Christians in the "Bible Belt" fail at rate any different from any other area of this country, now or in the past.

The Christians in the South/Bible belt failed to realise that blacks and whites were equally created by God longer than any other region!

And the deep seated hatred towards them was a big factor in while Elvis was getting ttreated as he did, NOT just because he had "Devil music!"

 

[David Michael Harris]

Nice song by Elvis sry for the plug but it seemed fitting.

http://www.holyfear.net/?p=2942

 

[Oldtimer]

Was Elvis a Christian? I don't know, hope he was.

http://paskewich.typepad.com/paskewichcom/2006/08/was_elvis_presl.html
http://global.christianpost.com/new...gers-faith-was-elvis-a-christian-photo-81359/

Then there was Billy Graham, easily the most popular evangelist of the 1950s. While I haven’t yet been able to run down Graham’s exact comment, DJ Clark Reid noted in the March 2, 1957, issue of the Detroit Free Press that Elvis had received a “plug from evangelist Billy Graham in a recent Free Press article.” Soon after Elvis’s death in 1977, Graham said, “I never met him but I believe I will see him in heaven because Elvis Presley was very deeply religious, especially in the last two or three years.” http://www.elvis-history-blog.com/elvis-religious-criticism.html

Only our Lord knows what's in each of our hearts. Thus, I don't know either. From these reports and others, we may hear him sing, once again.

Perhaps Elvis and Uncle Jesse will be singing in the choir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi4qwb58npg