Government Shutdown Fight Splits Rubio, Christie, Other 2016 GOP Contenders

[Crabtownboy]

It appears the GOP is on the road to 'eating its own'.

On one side of the health care fight are Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Texas' Cruz and others who say they are standing on principle and willing to oppose the law at all costs.

On the other side are those taking what they call a pragmatic approach by accepting the law, if grudgingly, and moving on. Holding that view are New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who says that shutting down the government would violate the public trust.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/21/government-shutdown-2016_n_3966965.html

 

[church mouse guy]

The GOP does not want to shut down the government. They voted to keep it open. They also voted to defund the Democrats' healthcare program, which is throwing so many people out of work, such as those at the Cleveland Clinic. Now it is up to the Democrats to keep government open by accepting the House plan.

Why do the Democrats want to impose a plan that will lower healthcare benefits for people on Medicaid and Medicare and force hospitals and doctors to turn away those groups?

Do the Democrats just want to print more money to cover the costs? We now know that printing money drives the stock market up and makes the rich richer while the middle class loses income and shrinks and the poor live on food stamps and other benefits from government and business flees overseas to avoid the highest corporate taxes in the world in the USA.

 

[saturneptune]

The GOP does not want to shut down the government. They voted to keep it open. They also voted to defund the Democrats' healthcare program, which is throwing so many people out of work, such as those at the Cleveland Clinic. Now it is up to the Democrats to keep government open by accepting the House plan.

Why do the Democrats want to impose a plan that will lower healthcare benefits for people on Medicaid and Medicare and force hospitals and doctors to turn away those groups?

Do the Democrats just want to print more money to cover the costs? We now know that printing money drives the stock market up and makes the rich richer while the middle class loses income and shrinks and the poor live on food stamps and other benefits from government and business flees overseas to avoid the highest corporate taxes in the world in the USA.

There has got to be a way to reform our health care system to make it more effective than government involvement. You are correct. The present course we are on not only makes the rich richer, and the poor poorer, but causes everyone in a certain manner to become more dependent on the government. It is destroying the middle class, and the initiative for everyone to make their own destiny according to their abilities. The private market would do a much better job of reforming health care.

 

[InTheLight]

The private market would do a much better job of reforming health care.

They've been trying for about 40 years and failing. First there were HMOs, then managed care groups, then preferred provider networks, then health savings accounts, then high deductible plans and all the while there were double digit percentage increases in premiums each year. I do not welcome government intervention but the private sector has failed.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The GOP does not want to shut down the government. They voted to keep it open. They also voted to defund the Democrats' healthcare program, which is throwing so many people out of work, such as those at the Cleveland Clinic. Now it is up to the Democrats to keep government open by accepting the House plan.

Why do the Democrats want to impose a plan that will lower healthcare benefits for people on Medicaid and Medicare and force hospitals and doctors to turn away those groups?

Do the Democrats just want to print more money to cover the costs? We now know that printing money drives the stock market up and makes the rich richer while the middle class loses income and shrinks and the poor live on food stamps and other benefits from government and business flees overseas to avoid the highest corporate taxes in the world in the USA.

You're talking to a brick wall. CTB is so drenched in his liberal agenda he can't "dry off" long enough to hear reason. Still, he's fun to read and find out what the socialists are up to. :laugh:

 

[Crabtownboy]

They've been trying for about 40 years and failing. First there were HMOs, then managed care groups, then preferred provider networks, then health savings accounts, then high deductible plans and all the while there were double digit percentage increases in premiums each year. I do not welcome government intervention but the private sector has failed.

I was in a great HMO and really hoped it would be my health care provider for the duration of my life. Sadly, like others, it was forced out of business.

Like everyone when the reach 65 I was forced to join Medicare. So far it has worked well. But I am fortunate. My wife's retirement supplies medicare gap insurance. But many are not so fortunate.

Millions in the US are without medical insurance at all. For such a rich country this is inexcusable.

I really believe that many oppose Obama care simply because Obama is president. Complaining about government intervention isn't logical. We already have a government program, Medicare.

Surely we can do better than the present system that cuts out so many working people from insurance.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Millions in the US are without medical insurance at all. For such a rich country this is inexcusable.

Surely we can do better than the present system that cuts out so many working people from insurance.

Why should it be "inexcusable" and how is "O-care" any better?

The problem isn't the insurance system as much as it it the welfare system.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

LOL.

Yeah, nobody's getting dumped from insurance anymore, since zero-care was made law.

LOL.

You cannot be serious. Well, yes, you can be. But you're certainly confused.

Do you not read news reports of companies dumping employee insurance programs, sometimes over 10.000 at a time ?

Why is it insurance that has to be fixed ? Why can't we concentrate on bringing the outrageous prices down ? It can be done, you know.

Surely we can do better than the present system that cuts out so many working people from insurance.

There is so much stupid in that sentence I don't know where to begin. Seems like you're admitting zero-care is already a disaster. It is the current system.

Why are so many working people being cut from their insurance ?

 

[church mouse guy]

You're talking to a brick wall. CTB is so drenched in his liberal agenda he can't "dry off" long enough to hear reason. Still, he's fun to read and find out what the socialists are up to. :laugh:

Thisnumbersdisconnected, wouldn't it be nice if Crabtown actually answered some of the questions such as why are so many people being laid off at the Cleveland Clinic if Obamacare is so great? And why is Obama reducing Medicaid and Medicare benefits? They say that all hospitals will be forced to lay off employees on October 1 if Obamacare is funded.

 

[saturneptune]

Thisnumbersdisconnected, wouldn't it be nice if Crabtown actually answered some of the questions such as why are so many people being laid off at the Cleveland Clinic if Obamacare is so great? And why is Obama reducing Medicaid and Medicare benefits? They say that all hospitals will be forced to lay off employees on October 1 if Obamacare is funded.

Do you think CTB was a conservative in a previous life, and is now living this one to balance out the karma?

 

[Gina B]

This constant threat of shutdowns is no way to live. It's so stressful!

So suddenly every military and government person, and retired military and government, is going to be facing homelessness and hunger if they don't have enough saved to get through a shutdown, with very little warning? Just "this could happen" and everyone is left sitting to sit in uncertainty.

Those strikes for decent wages at fast food places are making a whole lot more sense now.

 

[Mexdeaf]

This constant threat of shutdowns is no way to live. It's so stressful!

So suddenly every military and government person, and retired military and government, is going to be facing homelessness and hunger if they don't have enough saved to get through a shutdown, with very little warning? Just "this could happen" and everyone is left sitting to sit in uncertainty.

Those strikes for decent wages at fast food places are making a whole lot more sense now.

I agree... but we have to start to tighten our belts somewhere, or soon we will not have a choice.