NBC News Pollsters 'Shocked' By Horrible Numbers For GOP, Politicians (VIDEO)

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

All that had to happen is for the majority of people simply dont sign up for BO Care.....It will implode via lack of funding. Done & Done.

Whole-heartedly disagree.

The Democrats are too committed to socialism to allow even a horrible abortion of a healthcare program like ACA die. They believe deep in their shallow little hearts that it is absolutely necessary. Why? Well, trust me, it ain't got nuthin' tuh do with caring about uninsured poor people.

It has everything to do with those same uninsured poor people voting Democrat. So good, bad, horrible, utterly destructive -- whatever the ACA winds up being won't go away as long as the Democrats have control of the Senate. That's why the Republicans need to stand firm, and force the one-year delay in the individual mandate. Next year, Republicans will have control of the Senate, and the ACA will be history. Even the Democrats, deep in their shallow little hearts, know this is an absolutely horrible program, and when faced with a GOP majority in the House and Senate, the moderates will abandon Comrade Reid and the Great Pretender, and join the Republicans in repealing this piece of dog-doo.

 

[Crabtownboy]

It has everything to do with those same uninsured poor people voting Democrat. So good, bad, horrible, utterly destructive -- whatever the ACA winds up being won't go away as long as the Democrats have control of the Senate. That's why the Republicans need to force the one-year delay in the individual mandate. Next year, Republicans will have control of the Senate, and the ACA will be history. Even the Democrats, deep in their shallow little hearts, know this is an absolutely horrible program, and when faced with a GOP majority in the House and Senate, the moderates will abandon Comrade Reid and the Great Pretender, and join the Republicans in repealing this piece of dog-doo.

You miss the entire week this week. Obamacare isn't even on the table being discussed. The Republicans realize it is a done deal. So, they closed down the government, but even they are not sure what they are asking for. There is no coherent opposition.

In fact, the actions of the Republicans have bolstered Obamacare.

Boomerang! Poll Reveals GOP's Government Shutdown Bolstered Obamacare's Popularity By 20%

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...hutdown-bolstered-obamacare-popularity-by-20/

The actions of the House Republicans probably have cost their candidate for governor of Virginia that election.

Shutdown Takes A Toll On GOP In Virginia Governor's Race

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...akes-a-toll-on-gop-in-virginia-governors-race

The actions of the GOP may make it more popular with Religious conservatives, but religious conservatives cannot win a national election and will cost the election of Republicans in many statewide elections.

In addition to the political problems these same folk make Christ and Christianity much less appealing to many as they come across as angry and hateful ... happy when others have problems.

You and I know that this is not what Christ advocated. Most of his teaching were on how we are to treat each other well, taking care of each other, loving each other.

This Is Exactly the GOP that Religious Conservatives Want

http://www.nationaljournal.com/poli...op-that-religious-conservatives-want-20131011

The culture war within the GOP is destroying the party.

The elites aren’t in charge now. The snarling dog they kept in a pen for decades has just escaped and bitten their hand off.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-mad-dogs-took-over-the-republican-party.html

A divided party cannot stand.

 

[church mouse guy]

Next you will be telling me that there is no transmigration of souls in spite of your tears, CBT.

 

[InTheLight]

Next year, Republicans will have control of the Senate, and the ACA will be history. Even the Democrats, deep in their shallow little hearts, know this is an absolutely horrible program, and when faced with a GOP majority in the House and Senate, the moderates will abandon Comrade Reid and the Great Pretender, and join the Republicans in repealing this piece of dog-doo.

And you think Obama would not veto any legislation repealing ACA?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

And you think Obama would not veto any legislation repealing ACA?

Of course he will. Between the GOP majorities in both houses and the moderate Democrats who will have to answer to their constituents both next year and in 2016, they will vote to override. As I said, deep in their shallow little hearts, they know this is bad legislation, and they will not vote to keep it when the majority of the American people quite simply do not want it. You can't ignore the majority and keep your job as a legislator. Not for long anyway. The liberal-socialists among the Democrats are about to find that out.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Originally Posted by thisnumbersdisconnected View Post
Next year, Republicans will have control of the Senate, and the ACA will be history. Even the Democrats, deep in their shallow little hearts, know this is an absolutely horrible program, and when faced with a GOP majority in the House and Senate, the moderates will abandon Comrade Reid and the Great Pretender, and join the Republicans in repealing this piece of dog-doo.

A lot will have to change for your prediction to come true.

And one year until next fall’s midterm elections, American voters prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress to a Republican-controlled one by eight percentage points (47 percent to 39 percent), up from the Democrats’ three-point advantage last month (46 percent to 43 percent).

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop?lite

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

You keep touting the GOP numbers falling and utterly ignore the fact that the Great Pretender's numbers have fallen a far greater distance in a much shorter amount of time, and that Democrat's numbers are the lowest they've been among the middle class in 40 years. Good luck with those rose-colored glasses. I hear they fail to function very well around cliffs.

 

[InTheLight]

Of course he will. Between the GOP majorities in both houses and the moderate Democrats who will have to answer to their constituents both next year and in 2016, they will vote to override.

So you think there will be 67 senators voting to override a veto? If the Republicans happen to have a majority in the Senate it is likely to be a thin majority, maybe 51-49. And you're predicting 16 Dems will join them? Fantasy!

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

So you think there will be 67 senators voting to override a veto? If the Republicans happen to have a majority in the Senate it is likely to be a thin majority, maybe 51-49. And you're predicting 16 Dems will join them? Fantasy!

Nope. There are 21 Democrats in the Senate up for reelection in 2014, and over half are vulnerable at this juncture. Given the mood of the country right now, as voters know Democrats won't take down the ACA, fully three quarters of those could be vulnerable by November 4 next year. If the GOP were to win just 60% of those, it could give them a 55-45, and it could be as high as 57-43. There are 11 moderates in the Moderate Democrats Working Group in the Senate. Admittedly, McCaskill (D-Missouri) and Udall (D-Colorado), won't vote to repeal. But they could be convinced to gut the program, which is the next best option. Yes, I think the legislation will be repealed. We'd better pray it is, because it will ruin this country.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You keep touting the GOP numbers falling and utterly ignore the fact that the Great Pretender's numbers have fallen a far greater distance in a much shorter amount of time, and that Democrat's numbers are the lowest they've been among the middle class in 40 years. Good luck with those rose-colored glasses. I hear they fail to function very well around cliffs.

Obama's approval numbers will be pretty meaningless as he will not be running for any office. Regardless, the GOP is at a record low ... or as least as low as when Nixon left office in disgrace.

As an aside, I have always said that Nixon could have come out of Watergate looking like a hero if he had simply said, "Yes, some of my people did it and I will fire them." Then fire them and everyone would have thought him an honest fellow.

Anyway, the GOP has open civil war within the party and that is no way to win over voters.

As one article said the beast they have kept control of has escaped from the cage and bitten off their hand.

Polls Show the GOP Is Now Losing Their Faithful

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...how-the-gop-is-now-losing-their-faithful.html

And Obama has gained 2 points.

Meanwhile, the poll found that, “President Barack Obama… has actually gained a bit of altitude during the shutdown, with 47 percent viewing him positively, compared to 45 percent in September.” A 47 percent approval isn’t a great accomplishment. But gaining while your opponents are dropping is all you need to win in the zero-sum game.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...how-the-gop-is-now-losing-their-faithful.html

 

[saturneptune]

So you think there will be 67 senators voting to override a veto? If the Republicans happen to have a majority in the Senate it is likely to be a thin majority, maybe 51-49. And you're predicting 16 Dems will join them? Fantasy!

I despise the Democratic Party, but that is another subject. Given how blame for this shutdown and deficit is going, I will not be surprised to see both Houses Democrat this time next year. Not that it helps our country or solves any problems, but that is my prediction.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Again, no surprise here. The GOP seems unable to grasp reality of what motivates American voters

Or, maybe, for once, the Republicans are trying to do the right thing, rather than please voters.

The GOP must change course and show they can do something other than be obstructive.

Why do you assume that "obstructive" is a bad thing? If you were walking down the street and saw a man raping a woman in an alley, wouldn't you try to obstruct him? If a bear was mauling your child, wouldn't you want someone to try to obstruct the bear?

 

[saturneptune]

Or, maybe, for once, the Republicans are trying to do the right thing, rather than please voters.



Why do you assume that "obstructive" is a bad thing? If you were walking down the street and saw a man raping a woman in an alley, wouldn't you try to obstruct him? If a bear was mauling your child, wouldn't you want someone to try to obstruct the bear?

Do not get my post wrong, the person one votes for and person one thinks will win are two different subjects. If CTB and I have criticism of the Republicans, it is for reasons that are 180 degrees out. CTB thinks Republicans (establishment) are too conservative. His criticism comes from that point of view. Mine (like Mitch McConnell for example) comes from the fact that they are too much like Democrats. That does not make CTB and Constitutionalists allies.

 

[InTheLight]

Nope. There are 21 Democrats in the Senate up for reelection in 2014, and over half are vulnerable at this juncture.

So you think there are 11 Democratic senators that are vulnerable. That's a lot. Let's your list, because I think it's more like 5 or 6.

< snip rest of wishful thinking >

 

[InTheLight]

I despise the Democratic Party, but that is another subject. Given how blame for this shutdown and deficit is going, I will not be surprised to see both Houses Democrat this time next year. Not that it helps our country or solves any problems, but that is my prediction.

I agree. Republicans have damaged their reputation with the shutdown and it will come back to haunt them.

 

[InTheLight]

SN, do you think it possible that McConnell's seat could go Democratic?

 

[saturneptune]

SN, do you think it possible that McConnell's seat could go Democratic?

From the talk of my acquaintances, friends, coworkers, and church members, yes it is very possible. It is also possible that he will lose the primary. In his past reelection bids, the vote has been close. I believe the only reason he has held on is that being a Congressional leader helps a state out. With McConnell, people here are tired of his bowing to Democrats over and over and two, that goes beyond the liberal-conservative debate, he is just not a very likeable person.

On a national level, voters of Kentucky tend to vote Republican unless the Democrat is either from the South or shows moderate to conservative tendencies. On the state and local level, the voters vote Democratic more often than not. We have a Democrat governor.

I would say the final decision on that question will depend on how this shutdown and deficit ceiling story work out. Anyway, for me, I have voted for him five times for Senate, but next year, my vote will go to his opponent Thirty years is long enough, especially for someone who was elected running against big spending Democrats, then turns right around and plays footsie with them.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

SN, do you think it possible that McConnell's seat could go Democratic?

S/N might. But it's next to impossible.