Wow, the admins made a whole thread just disappear!

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

There was a thread on this segment of the forum earlier called "Takin' Our Country Back?" that was based on you.tube video. It led to some sharp comments among members and at least one administrator who apparently didn't like the way the thread was going. It challenged his liberalism, and it may have gotten out of hand somewhat, but I didn't think it approached violations of the board rules. Apparently he did, however.

There was one post on that thread that I was attempting to respond to when the thread simply "disappeared" from the face of the Earth -- or at least from BaptistBoard.com. I'd like to post that reply now, perhaps at the risk of raising the ire of that admin, but I think it needs to be addressed, so here goes.

You harp on Marxism. Would you please show me which of the tenets of Marxism Obama has pushed for. I'll help you. Here are ten tenets of Marxiam. Again, which has Obama pushed for?????

I don't think you're ready for this, but here goes:

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

On repeated occasions, the Great Pretender has thwarted the development of domestic energy supplies through arbitrary regulatory control over massive tracts of federally owned land and restricting drilling in American waters off our coasts.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

He has an Ahab-like obsession with further raising taxes on “the rich” even though the top 1% of earners already pays almost as much of the federal income tax as the bottom 95% of taxpayers combined.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

He has succeeded in reinstating federal inheritance taxes and recently proposed raising them further by reducing the dollar threshold at which the tax kicks in and no longer allowing that amount to be indexed to inflation.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

The US has long been one of the few countries to tax its citizens on income earned abroad (a tax that applies to incomes above $95,100). In 2010, our pretend "president" won passage of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, which orders foreign financial institutions to provide information to the IRS about Americans’ offshore holdings. Obviously one of the purposes of having this information is to seize assets belonging to those who would flee his Marxist regime once it is established, or is apparent to be the next step in his destruction of democracy in the U.S.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Surely you jest?? Ever heard of the federal reserve? Certainly this trend was well established before this anti-colonialist/Marxist managed to dupe the American public and get elected president. Thanks to decades of deficit spending, enabled by an accommodating central bank willing to help underwrite the federal government’s chronic over-spending, Big Government and Big Finance have become joined at the hip. This was dramatically demonstrated in 2008 when the traitor doubled down on a necessary bailout authorized by George W. Bush and the Congress for Wall Street, necessary because to let those financial institutions fail would have meant collapse of the economy, with indebtedness being sold off at pennies on the dollar to first-come-first-serve buyers who would then ship that debt overseas. By that time, the heavily indebted federal government had grown far beyond Main Street banks’ ability to finance its massive fiscal operations. Only the colossal financial infrastructure of the megabanks and other gigantic financial institutions was sufficient to maintain an orderly market for the federal Treasury’s seas of red ink, and so federal intervention to rescue Wall Street was an inevitable act of self-preservation on the part of Uncle Sam, particularly since this Marxist was intent on furthering the debt in order to bankrupt the nation for his own purposes.This is a "two-post post reply" so here's the first, second to follow.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Wow, the admins made a whole thread just disappear! (Part II)

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6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

The Great Pretender has attempted to cower conservative media outlets like Fox News into submission through denunciation, has suggested reviving the so-called “fairness doctrine,” and has expressed hostility toward free speech, seeking to use regulations to shape and limit the public's ability to speak freely and potentially seek a redress of grievances, the oft-forgotten aspect of the First Amendment. In the area of transportation, Obama insinuated government into the auto industry through the bailout of Chrysler and GM coupled with the carrot-and-stick routine of dictating to them the kind of vehicles they could build, has favored the high-speed rail boondoggle, and wishes he could compel us all to convert to “green transportation,” such as electric cars and biofuels.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Besides increasing government control of financial institutions (including having virtually nationalized the mortgage industry by taking over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) the pretend chief executive has moved to centralize control of health care and insurance; has dictated policies, and even hand-picked a CEO, of American automobile companies; and has done his best to increase government power over the energy industry through his green energy subsidies, his failed cap-and-trade scheme, and via EPA regulation. While he hasn't insinuated, as yet, the government into crop and agricultural land use, the farming industry is so poor and weak in political clout that to this point it hasn't been necessary.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Obama has ramped up the number of Americans working for Uncle Sam by securing a large expansion of AmeriCorps and winning passage of his Serve America Act. He also has done everything he could to strengthen labor unions, including bending over backwards for them to exclude them from healthcare requirements, thus making them beholden to him in future elections, and in future efforts to solidify his regime as a Marxist dictator, which at this point is still an extremely remote possibility, but is nonetheless, I am convinced, an option he entertains if his efforts to destroy the U.S. as it currently is constituted fail.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

Under the Great Pretender, the Department of Housing and Urban Development has launched a plan to change where some people live to achieve an indefinite goal of a more even racial distribution of the population.

Additionally, one of the implications of cap & trade or other attempts by our Marxist leader to regulate how much carbon dioxide Americans emit via fossil fuel consumption is the prospect of government limiting human mobility by raising the cost (even to the extent of imposing financial penalties) for exceeding government-determined limits on how far a person may travel.

In Brian Sussman’s book, Eco-Tyranny, you can read an executive order that Obama signed on October 5, 2009 that would “divide the country into sectors where all humans would be herded into urban hubs” while most of the land would be “returned to a natural state upon which humans would only be allowed to tread lightly.” The difference here is that Marx wanted more equal distribution of the human population between town and country, whereas his African-rooted student currently occupying the White House favors urban concentration, but both want to control where people live.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

It has already happened. True to his Marxist upbringing under the mentoring of the man his grandfather hand-chose, Frank Marshall Davis -- one of the leading U.S. communists in the 50s and 60s -- this clown has done more than any previous president to centralize control over education in Washington. He has essentially nationalized the student loan market. He has repeatedly tried to limit school choice, instead siding with would-be teachers’ union monopolists. The Great Pretender sought to extend the tentacles of federal control over how state education policies by arbitrarily granting waivers exempting some states from George W. Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act, before unilaterally (and unconstitutionally) "repealing" the entire Act via executive order in 2012, trampling on the Constitution, and the principle of federalism in granting waivers with strings attached, thereby reducing states’ independence.

Most recently, Team O'Marx has been pushing the Common Core State Standards—a follow-up to his “Race to the Top” program that spent over $4 billion to induce states to switch to federal standards for curricular guidelines. While Race to the Top and Common Core may sound innocuous or even reasonable, the actual effects are deleterious. Both programs essentially bribe states to replace their existing standards with federal standards, even though, as California has found out, states have had to “dumb down” their standards to conform to federal standards that are lower.

More ominously, the Obama administration is using the Common Core program to invade privacy along the same lines as he has accomplished using the NSA, IRS, and the CFPB. In 2011, the Department of Education unilaterally, without congressional approval, altered the regulations based on the Federal Education Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 -- loosening them so that mounds of personal data about students may be collected. The personal data include not just academic records, such as grades and whether students complete homework assignments, but also disciplinary records, Social Security numbers, records of discussions with school counselors, as well as information about families’ voting status, religious affiliations, medical history, and income.

Michelle Malkin has reported that would-be Marxist dictator’s Department of Education is preparing to use the most advanced technologies (e.g., cameras to judge facial expressions, electronic seats that report posture, a pressure-sensitive computer mouse, biometric wraps on wrists, etc.) to assess a wide variety of student attitudes—“appreciation for diversity,” “empathy,” “bias,” “cultural awareness,” etc.

A whole lot of people in this country are running around yelling Marxist, Marxist and in reality they do not know what Marxism is all about.

Actually, we do, and we've got it in the White House. You can believe that or not, but if you want to keep cheer leading for this Marxist traitor, God help you when you get what you've asked for.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

By the way, C4K, you were incensed at one post on that "disappeared" thread that stated one of your comments was "a lie," but I did not intend to accuse you of lying, and I apologize for that coming across that way.

The concept that our indigenous peoples were victims of genocide and "land-grabbing" is the lie, and it is one that has been taught in our schools and undoubtedly sank into your brain somewhere along the way.

The idea is false, it did not happen. You should do some investigative work and disabuse yourself of that fanatically biased falsehood.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The concept that our indigenous peoples were victims of genocide and "land-grabbing" is the lie, and it is one that has been taught in our schools and undoubtedly sank into your brain somewhere along the way.

The idea is false, it did not happen. You should do some investigative work and disabuse yourself of that fanatically biased falsehood.

Tell me which treaty the US government entered into with the indigenous people that was not broken by the US government.

Over 500 treaties were made with American Indian tribes, primarily for land cessations, but 500 treaties were also broken, changed or nullified when it served the government’s interests. - See more at: http://blog.nrcprograms.org/treaties-made-treaties-broken/#sthash.cL2osGoo.dpuf

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Your a brazen one ya are goin again the Sassanaugh ya are Im tinkin.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Tell me which treaty the US government entered into with the indigenous people that was not broken by the US government.

Irrelevant. The accusation made was that we had committed genocide and stolen land from them. We didn't. They were compensated at the then-current land market rates, and if you don't believe that, you can look it up. The Native Americans did not have deeds to any land in North America. You will say well, that was not “their way.”

Oh, and what, pray tell, was “their way?”

Answer: Violent conquest.

In other words, they operated almost exactly like modern-day street gangs. They had their territory. They sought to expand it and did so by murdering neighboring (streetless at the time) street gangs -- bashing heads with tomahawks, stabbing, shooting arrows into vital organs. They were also into kidnapping. Just a lovely group of innocent primitives before the evil white man arrived and corrupted them. That was also the way of our European ancestors. It was “their way” for everybody on earth thousands of years ago when there were no countries, only tribes. Then there became two ways: Violent conquest of nations by other nations coinciding with deeds supported by the rule of law within each country. And that was the situation in the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, 1700s and 1800s in the whole world.

I want you and others to read this very, very carefully, with an attempt at understanding. I'll even help you with added emphasis:
Your mistake, C4K's mistake, the mistake of millions of liberal idiots out there in the world today, it to attempt to measure the methodology's of our ancestors by today's "rule of law" standards.

The Native American way, violent conquest by tribes, was everybody’s “way” thousands of years ago. And it was their way and partially our way between when Columbus discovered America in 1492 and around 1900. When we arrived in the Western Hemisphere, the only way of acquiring land was violent conquest. That was the Native American way everywhere in the Western Hemisphere. There was no rule of law.

And to the early European visitors to America, that was also their way with regard to foreign lands. When an Indian tribe wanted land, they just took it from another Indian tribe, or tried to. Europeans did the same with regard to land outside the borders of their own rule-of-law country. Native Americans have no complaint about how whites took their land before 1900. Those whites were just following the “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” rule.

We won.

The real complaint of the American Indians is not that we used violent conquest to take their land, but that we won. Heck, winning is how they got it before we got here. As soon as they saw we were winning, they suddenly wanted to do things our way, that is, get deeds.

And so they did, to reservations. They still have them.

 

[padredurand]

The idea is false, it did not happen. You should do some investigative work and disabuse yourself of that fanatically biased falsehood.

The Trail of Tears is a fairy tale? I bet that will come as a surprise to many.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

By the way, C4K, you were incensed at one post on that "disappeared" thread that stated one of your comments was "a lie," but I did not intend to accuse you of lying, and I apologize for that coming across that way.

The concept that our indigenous peoples were victims of genocide and "land-grabbing" is the lie, and it is one that has been taught in our schools and undoubtedly sank into your brain somewhere along the way.

The idea is false, it did not happen. You should do some investigative work and disabuse yourself of that fanatically biased falsehood.

The idea that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint hasn't studied a topic is simply incorrect. There is plenty of documentation of the patently abusive behaviour of European settlers from Columbus right up until the conquest was complete about 1900.

Painting an entire continent of hundreds of tribal groups as murderous savages is revising the facts to excuse the inexcusable.

You also err in your assumption about the motivation on the closed thread. I will try to fix it in the morning. My computer quit working and I deleted the thread instead of one post trying to use Tapatalk.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The Trail of Tears is a fairy tale? I bet that will come as a surprise to many.

The Trail of Tears was tragic, no doubt. But tell me, how else were the Cherokee going to get to the Oklahoma Territory from Georgia and Florida? There was no mass transit, no other methodology of getting from Point A to Point B than walking or using the occasional wagon, few and far between among Native Americans of the time, or Americans of any variety, correct? I'd say it was bad planning by both whites and natives, but it wasn't deliberate genocide. It was the (at the time, see post #6) accepted method of dealing with a people who had ceded their own governing authority to the U.S. government, though I agree arguments can be made that the treaty signatories didn't really represent the Cherokee people. None of them turned down their share of the $5 million the tribe was paid, however, which was a prince's ransom and a half in 1835.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The idea that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint hasn't studied a topic is simply incorrect.

When evidences that the traditional teachings in our schools and even in our universities over the past 50 years have grossly misrepresented the actual facts of the matter, my viewpoint has a lot more merit than you or other liberals are willing to credit it with.

There is plenty of documentation of the patently abusive behaviour of European settlers from Columbus right up until the conquest was complete about 1900.

There is documentation of isolated incidents which represent atrocious behavior on the part of some whites. There is no documentation of "patently abusive behavior" that was not (as stated in post #6) accepted and common among people all over the world prior to 1900. We're better than that. They weren't, and they can't be judged by any standards except their own.

Painting an entire continent of hundreds of tribal groups as murderous savages is revising the facts to excuse the inexcusable.

Not when it's true it isn't, but you obviously don't want to face the facts. But those are them.

You also err in your assumption about the motivation on the closed thread. I will try to fix it in the morning. My computer quit working and I deleted the thread instead of one post trying to use Tapatalk.

OK. I guess will just have to be "members in waiting" until then.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

And I'm closing this thread as it is a rehash of a previously closed\deleted one.