Global warming 'fabricated' by nasa and noaa

[Revmitchell]

Scientists at two of the world’s leading climate centres - NASA and NOAA - have been caught out manipulating temperature data to overstate the extent of the 20th century "global warming".
The evidence of their tinkering can clearly be seen at Real Science, where blogger Steven Goddard has posted a series of graphs which show "climate change" before and after the adjustments.
When the raw data is used, there is little if any evidence of global warming and some evidence of global cooling. However, once the data has been adjusted - ie fabricated by computer models - 20th century 'global warming' suddenly looks much more dramatic.
This is especially noticeable on the US temperature records. Before 2000, it was generally accepted - even by climate activists like NASA's James Hansen - that the hottest decade in the US was the 1930s.
As Hansen himself said in a 1989 report:
In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/23/Global-warming-Fabricated-by-NASA-and-NOAA

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

 

[prophet]

I remember that an Ice Age was gonna doom us all, back in the 70's.

This year it came.

It's cold up here.

 

[church mouse guy]

I remember that an Ice Age was gonna doom us all, back in the 70's.

This year it came.

It's cold up here.

Yeah, they were talking about nuclear winter back then and in the 80s they all of a sudden started talking about rising sea levels and global warming.

In Indiana, we are the target of the war on coal. Indiana Gov. Mike Pence went to Southern Indiana recently to visit the Bear Run mine near the Hoosier town of Dugger. The Bear Run mine is the largest surface mine east of the Mississippi River and employes 500 people.

The war on coal would make a ghost town of Dugger, Indiana, as coal mining is the only occupation there since 1879.

Several other mining towns in southern Indiana would become ghost towns based on this phony science from the lying American federal government.

 

[General Mung Beans]

Regardless of Global Warming, coal is a nasty energy source that causes hundreds if not thousands of deaths from mine accidents and "black lungs" that should be replaced with nuclear and natural gas in the short-term.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Your link is totally dishonest. I do not have time now to post proof, but will do so later today. You need to do some research on what Hensen really says. There is a 17 minute video of him explaining why global warming is a real and a coming disaster.

Top climate scientist James Hansen tells the story of his involvement in the science of and debate over global climate change. In doing so he outlines the overwhelming evidence that change is happening and why that makes him deeply worried about the future.

http://www.ted.com/talks/james_hansen_why_i_must_speak_out_about_climate_change

Scientists at two of the world’s leading climate centres - NASA and NOAA - have been caught out manipulating temperature data to overstate the extent of the 20th century "global warming".
The evidence of their tinkering can clearly be seen at Real Science, where blogger Steven Goddard has posted a series of graphs which show "climate change" before and after the adjustments.
When the raw data is used, there is little if any evidence of global warming and some evidence of global cooling. However, once the data has been adjusted - ie fabricated by computer models - 20th century 'global warming' suddenly looks much more dramatic.
This is especially noticeable on the US temperature records. Before 2000, it was generally accepted - even by climate activists like NASA's James Hansen - that the hottest decade in the US was the 1930s.
As Hansen himself said in a 1989 report:
In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/23/Global-warming-Fabricated-by-NASA-and-NOAA

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The O/P is 100% correct in the quote. There was no dishonesty. And nobody is going to sit through 17 minutes of a discredited alarmist.

Here is the report referenced in the O/P.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/

 

[Crabtownboy]

The O/P is 100% correct in the quote. There was no dishonesty. And nobody is going to sit through 17 minutes of a discredited alarmist.

ROFL, oh what a wonderful laugh.

The "alarmist" is the scientist that is supposedly quoted in the OP. Look him up. He is solidly saying that we are in the midst of global warming and that if we do not change disaster is ahead. The writer of the blog was and I suppose continues to be very dishonest.

The trend, regardless of the 1930's, is upward and that spells big trouble ahead. In fact, it has already started. Before too many years even those who willing stay blind now will have to admit they were wrong.

Also note the quote from Henson is from 1989. That was 25 years ago. Just in case you do not realize that, 25 years is a quarter of a century. Temperatures have climbed since then. To quote a 25 year old quote in attempting to prove something happening now is rather stupid.

Also from that same report is the statement that you and others ignored.

Global temperature, in contrast, had passed 1930s values by 1980 and the world has warmed at a remarkable rate over the last 25 years.

Also the US temperature is not the entire world:

And this chart is at least 14 years out of date. In those 14 years the temperature has continued to climb worldwide.

Also ignored in the OP and the article cited is the following predictions:

In the meantime, we can venture two "predictions" on "whither U.S. climate". First, regarding U.S. temperature, we have argued (Hansen et al., 1999a) that the next decade will be warmer than the 1990s, rivaling if not exceeding the 1930s. The basis for that prediction is the expectation of continued greenhouse warming and probable slackening of regional ocean cooling. Second, regarding precipitation and drought, even without analysis of regional patterns of change, we can offer the probabilistic statement that the frequencies of both extremes, heavy precipitation and floods on the one hand and droughts and forest fires on the other, will increase with increasing global temperature. The rationale for this (Hansen et al., 1991) is that increased surface heating increases evaporation, and this increases the intensity of both precipitation and drought conditions where and when they occur.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/

 

[Bro. Curtis]

All the huffing and puffing aside, the quote in the O/P is an exact replication of his words. You have shown no dishonesty.

 

[Crabtownboy]

All the huffing and puffing aside, the quote in the O/P is an exact replication of his words.

You are right, that is what is said in the article.

However it does not prove anything as I showed in my reply. Old data does not apply to what is happening now. Right?

Global warming is real. Agree?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You said it was dishonest. Retract that, and we can continue.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You said it was dishonest. Retract that, and we can continue.

It wasn't dishonest as I did not notice it was from that article. I did make a mistake, no getting around that. What I found was that it was there, but that it is of no importance as it is old data. Also, it was restricted to North America. During that time world temperatures climbed and have continued to climb.

Do you agree that world temperatures have moved upward?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It was not a mistake. You said somebody needed to research what was actually said, when the exact words were put up there.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

To answer your question, some parts appear to have temps that have risen, some appear to have cooled. Some oceans are warmer, some are cooler. Some glaciers are retreating, some astound scientists with their growth. Some places are being flooded. Some have drought. We had the coldest winter on record, up here. I hear those folks in the North east kinda had it rough, as well.

But your movement is nothing more than a socialist scam to redistribute wealth, based on manipulated data, as the O/P shows, is verifiable, with links to the actual research involved. You addressed none of it, you simply called it dishonest and told everyone to watch a 17 minute video. That's not going to prove any point.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

More….

Due to an error in calculations of mean U.S. temperatures, 1934, not 1998 as previously reported, is the hottest year on record in the United States. NASA scientists contend that the error has little effect on overall U.S. temperature trends and no effect on global mean temperatures, with 2005 still the hottest year worldwide by far, followed by 1998. The data corrections have added new fuel to the climate change debate, however — and could spell more public relations woes for NASA…..

http://www.geotimes.org/aug07/article.html?id=WebExtra081607_2.html

 

[Crabtownboy]

More….

Due to an error in calculations of mean U.S. temperatures, 1934, not 1998 as previously reported, is the hottest year on record in the United States. NASA scientists contend that the error has little effect on overall U.S. temperature trends and no effect on global mean temperatures, with 2005 still the hottest year worldwide by far, followed by 1998. The data corrections have added new fuel to the climate change debate, however — and could spell more public relations woes for NASA…..

http://www.geotimes.org/aug07/article.html?id=WebExtra081607_2.html

One year does not make a trend. In the scheme of the ages one year means nothing. July 1936 was the hottest July on record. So, what, that means nothing about what is happening now. There are always anomalies, but we are in a definite trend.

Do a little searching on your own and you will find that 2005 and 2010 are tied as the two hottest years on record eclipsing 1934.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/post-carbon/2010/12/2010_hottest_climate_year_on_r.html

Note that 13 of the 14 hottest years on record are in this century.

Thirteen of the fourteen warmest years on record have all occurred in the 21st century, and each of the last three decades has been warmer than the previous one, culminating with 2001-2010 as the warmest decade on record. The average global land and ocean surface temperature in 2013 was 14.5°C (58.1°F) – 0.50°C (0.90°F) above the 1961–1990 average and 0.03°C (0.05°F) higher than the 2001–2010 decadal average. Temperatures in many parts of the southern hemisphere were especially warm, with Australia having its hottest year on record and Argentina its second hottest.

http://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_985_en.html

 

[Bro. Curtis]

One year does not make a trend. In the scheme of the ages one year means nothing. July 1936 was the hottest July on record. So, what, that means nothing about what is happening now. There are always anomalies, but we are in a definite trend.

It means you don't know what you are talking about. Why should I trust this, when it is constantly being manipulated, as the O/P proves, with links, and actual research.

Do a little searching on your own and you will find that 2005 and 2010 are tied as the two hottest years on record eclipsing 1934.

So what. ?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/post-carbon/2010/12/2010_hottest_climate_year_on_r.html

Note that 13 of the 14 hottest years on record are in this century.

That'd be a good trick, because at the time your link was written, the century was 9. Care to correct that ? Not to mention the article does not mention 1936, so it is factually incorrect.

 

[JamesL]

culminating with 2001-2010 as the warmest decade on record. The average global land and ocean surface temperature in 2013 was 14.5°C (58.1°F) – 0.50°C (0.90°F) above the 1961–1990 average and 0.03°C (0.05°F) higher than the 2001–2010 decadal average.

I see about three interesting pieces in this snippet:

1) warmest decade on record....when were records first kept? Late 1800s, or about 125 years ago?

How old is the earth? Anywhere from 6,000 to 200,000,000,000 years old (depending on who you ask). Seems like an awful small amount of data to draw such dramatic conclusions of doomsday.


2) 2013 temp was a whole 1 degree warmer than it was 25 to 55 years ago.

3) 2013 was a whole 1/20th of a degree warmer than the average over the last decade.


Where I am (in K.C.) the temperature swings 110 degrees from winter to summer. Winter lows down to -5 consistently, and summer highs up to 105 consistently. It's hard to get excited over 1 degree

 

[Crabtownboy]

It means you don't know what you are talking about. Why should I trust this, when it is constantly being manipulated, as the O/P proves, with links, and actual research.

So what. ?

That'd be a good trick, because at the time your link was written, the century was 9. Care to correct that ? Not to mention the article does not mention 1936, so it is factually incorrect.

Most dishonest of you, selecting the wrong link. The report was released in Geneva, Switzerland on 24 March 2014. I will accept that you simply made a mistake. I double checked and the link I gave below is in my post.

Do you agree that the world is becoming warmer?

http://www.weather.com/news/science...ars-record-occurred-21st-century-wmo-20140324

A report released in 2010 shows:

The last 16 years include the 15 hottest years on record.

Overall Temperatures Land Temperatures Ocean Temperatures

Year Anomaly Year Anomaly Year Anomaly

1 2010 +0.6441 1 2007 +1.0524 1 2003 +0.5175
2 2005 +0.6401 2 2010 +1.0314 2 1998 +0.5136
3 1998 +0.6212 3 2005 +1.0154 3 2010 +0.4987
4 2003 +0.6066 4 1998 +0.9005 4 2005 +0.4973
5 2002 +0.5970 5 2002 +0.8857 5 2009 +0.4920
6 2006 +0.5859 6 2006 +0.8769 6 2002 +0.4871
7 2009 +0.5835 7 2003 +0.8385 7 2004 +0.4851
8 2007 +0.5780 8 2009 +0.8269 8 2006 +0.4752
9 2004 +0.5648 9 2008 +0.8196 9 1997 +0.4553
10 2001 +0.5372 10 2004 +0.7747 10 2001 +0.4465
11 1997 +0.5070 11 2001 +0.7721 11 2007 +0.4006
12 2008 +0.5009 12 1995 +0.7296 12 2008 +0.3808
13 1995 +0.4382 13 1999 +0.7237 13 2000 +0.3499
14 1999 +0.4380 14 1997 +0.6412 14 1990 +0.3299
15 2000 +0.4151 15 2000 +0.5830 15 1999 +0.3285

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=42682

 

[Salty]

...Do a little searching on your own and you will find that 2005 and 2010 are tied as the two hottest years on record eclipsing 1934. ...

so that means that 2006-2009 we were experiencing global cooling?