Politically Left Scientist Dissents – Calls President Obama ‘delusional’ on global wa

Put a frog in cold water and slowly heat it and that frog will sit there until he/she is killed by the heat believing, until it is too late, that everything if hunky-dory.

 

Yeah, but the frog has no control over the heating of its environment, and has no option to escape, other than jumping out of the water. Since we're not ready to build colonies in space, that option is out for us. Or do you mean to posit that man, like the frog, has no effect on its environment?

 

Hello Tony, You are right, man does have an effect on his/her environment. But we are ignoring what is happening and this makes us like the frog, here we sit in the stew we are making, ignoring what is happening and one day will wake and find that we are condemned to disastrous consequences for our lack of will to do what was right. We have the option of doing something, but instead of tending the "garden" we are ignoring all the signs and destroying it.

Here is a simple example of doing nothing and making it worse:



And it has just been reported that the carbon dioxide measurement just went over 400 parts per million. It has never been this high.

 

Crabtown - In your earlier example of a frog in continually heating water, the frog is doing nothing to contribute to that environment, other than adding what body heat it produces, which, since frogs are ecothermic, is negligible. Even if you brought in a creature that produces heat instead of consuming it, like a human, cat, or dog, the body heat produced is still not enough to adversely effect the surrounding water to the point of boiling. An outside source, other than anything produced by the subject of your scenario, must act upon the scenario in order for a dangerous situation to arise.

The Frog is not ignoring what is happening. It simply does not have a high enough degree of intelligence to understand what is happening.

I'm trying to avoid delving into the deeply political offshoots of this topic, as I've been around that mountain many times with friends of mine. I'll just say this: There is a way to curtail the human impact on the environment without having to damage the economies of the global powers. There are means of slowing to even stopping the outflow of human-created pollution, but we have to understand that these are not overnight solutions. Time and research are required.

 

Tony, I have no problem with your reply. I would like to know your ideas on reducing human-created pollution. If it can be done without harming the economy I am all for it. Maybe you could start a new thread on this topic. It could be a very interesting thread if people will respond rationally and not with no thought emotions.

My frog analogy was just that an analogy ... and all analogies breakdown at some point. I was merely trying to show that by doing nothing we will reap disastrous results.

 

I'll give it a look later. It's being one of those weird mornings for me...check back later.