Is submission to governing authority absolute and unconditional?

[Revmitchell]

.......When is submission to any authority absolute and unconditional? Is a child to submit to a parent unconditionally? Is a wife to submit to her husband unconditionally? Is an employee to submit to an employer unconditionally? The answer of course to these questions is No. Then on what pretext is a citizen, or even a subject, to submit to a government unconditionally? Only God commands absolute power and authority, because He is our Creator; we are his creation. Only God is to be obeyed unconditionally. If we take the position that government is to be obeyed absolutely then we are guilty of erecting an idol and worshiping the creature rather than the created. No governing authority, not even our government when working properly (that is We the People) has absolute governing authority. All governing authorities are subject to God, which is why the Apostle Peter could declare that when the two are in conflict we must obey God rather than man.............


http://barbwire.com/2015/07/08/a-warning-to-the-american-church/

 

[Zaac]

.......When is submission to any authority absolute and unconditional?

NEVER if you are a Christian as our submission to authority is ALWAYS conditioned by what the word of God says.

Is a child to submit to a parent unconditionally?

If the child is a follower of Jesus Christ, he is to submit to the point that it does not supersede submission to Christ.

Is a wife to submit to her husband unconditionally?

If the wife is a follower of Jesus Christ, she is to submit to the point that it does not supersede submission to Christ.

Is an employee to submit to an employer unconditionally?

If the employee is a follower of Jesus Christ, he is to submit to the point that it does not supersede submission to Christ.

The answer of course to these questions is No. Then on what pretext is a citizen, or even a subject, to submit to a government unconditionally?

Who has said that the submission is unconditional?

Only God commands absolute power and authority, because He is our Creator; we are his creation. Only God is to be obeyed unconditionally. If we take the position that government is to be obeyed absolutely then we are guilty of erecting an idol and worshiping the creature rather than the created. No governing authority, not even our government when working properly (that is We the People) has absolute governing authority. All governing authorities are subject to God, which is why the Apostle Peter could declare that when the two are in conflict we must obey God rather than man.............

Yep. So who isn't obeying God in favor of man? I hope we're not talking about those clerks again.

 

[Zaac]

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http://barbwire.com/2015/07/08/a-warning-to-the-american-church/

I love this country. That is to say, I love the country that was founded here in 1776. It is not that country anymore, and in recent years – and in recent days – we have drifted farther from our founding principles than I think anyone could ever have imagined. We are a nation in crisis.
Read more at http://barbwire.com/2015/07/08/a-warning-to-the-american-church/

First he needs to stop acting like 1776 was such a grand old time to which to return. Our founding principles thought it okay to enslave a people and murder them at whim while treating them as 3/5ths of a person.

So he can come on down off the return to 1776 horse.

And it is my opinion that we are where we are in large measure because of a slumbering, slothful church who has neglected her civic duties in a nation of the People, by the People, and for the People. Regrettably, pastors in churches across America impel this attitude of neglect through a misunderstanding first of American politics and second of the proper response – the Scriptural response – of godly people to ungodly government.

Forget civic duties. We are where we are because we have neglected our COMMISSION.

it is impossible to divorce religion from politics.

Totally disagree. The word of God seems to say that's exactly what we should do. Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him. Mark 12:17

And so, our founding fathers took the once-in-history opportunity to do what had never been done before. They sat down, on a new continent, and through rumination and reflection created a nation governed by the People and structured in such a way as to secure the liberties of every individual.

Nope. That's why the Constitution was amended.

How is this SCOTUS ruling establishing law? They simply rendered their OPINIONS on something they believed to be discriminatory and contradictory to Constitutional law. States can adjust their laws or not. But the ruling says that if a law suit is filed, ultimately the decision of the highest court will be used to decide the outcome as their ruling was one of a Constitutional right.