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Nobel Winner to Obama on Global Warming: 'Mr. President, You're Wrong'

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  1. Revmitchell

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    President Obama’s statements on global warming are “dead wrong,” said Nobel laureate Ivar Giaever, who rejected the president's claims that man-made global warming is causing climate change.

    “I think Obama is a clever person, but he gets bad advice. Global warming is all wet,” Giaever said in a speech entitled Global Warming Revisited he gave on July 1 to scientists from 90 countries attending the 65th annual Nobel Laureate Meeting in Lindau, Germany.

    Giaever, who was born in Norway and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1964, was one of three recipients of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973.

    Although he endorsed Obama in 2008 along with more than 70 other Nobel-winning scientists, Giaever is now criticizing the president’s statements on climate change -- particularly his 2015 State of the Union remark that “no challenge poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.”

    "The biggest problem Obama faces is climate change? How can he say that?" Giaever asked. "I say this to Obama: 'Excuse me, Mr. President, but you're wrong.' He is dead wrong...


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    #1 Revmitchell, Jul 21, 2015
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    Giaever is a physicists not a climatologist. He is welcome to his views, but he is not an expert in the area. His expertise is tunnelling phenomena in solids.
     
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    "So global warming really starts with these two people: Al Gore and [former United Nations climate head Rajendra] Pachauri," Giaever continued. "And what they did - they made this curve popular...And what did this curve measure? Well, this curve measures what is the average temperature for the world for a whole year...For one year. So there's an average temperature for the whole Earth for one year and that measures in a fraction of a degree.

    "So what does that mean? I think probably nothing. Let me talk about that again: From 1880 to 2015, the temperature has increased from 288 K [degrees Kelvin] to 288.8 K - 0.3 percent. I think the temperature has been amazingly stable.

    "If I take where I live in Albany, New York, there is roughly an 80 K difference between summer and winter at some time, so would you think that a 0.8 degree average on the Earth makes any difference to the climate in Albany? Is that sensible to you?..."
     
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    Giaever obviously does not know the history of the topic, else he would not make such an elementary wrong charge. Global warming and predicted in the second half of the 19th century by Svante Arrhenius who published the first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2. If Giaever is so wrong in such an elementary part of the theory he is not to be trusted in anything he says about global warming.

    Arrhenius' equation gives the dependence of the rate constant k of a chemical reaction on the absolute temperature T (in kelvins), where A is the pre-exponential factor (or simply the prefactor), E_a is the activation energy, and R is the universal gas constant:[1][2][3]
    k = A e^{-E_a/(R T)}
    Alternatively, the equation may be expressed as
    k = A e^{-E_a/(k_B T)}

    [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrhenius_equation#Equation]


    Again he is amazingly ignorant in this statement.

    As he is wrong in his figures he is wrong in his conclusion. It becomes obvious he knows very little and does not have the knowledge to make believable statements.
     
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    umm....sure
     
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    He would never say it started with Gore, etc. if he knew his history. Pay no attention to such ignorant statements.
     
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    Are you really going to try to tell me that a man in the 19th century, a time where it would be impossible to get heat measurements from around the globe, predicted global warming? Where did he get the data for how much human C02 would be emitted vs C02 eliminated by plants? especially in the 19th century...

    Nonsense. do you do any critical thinking? you have bought into a bunch of bogus stuff. Global warming is garbage.
     
    #7 Jordan Kurecki, Jul 21, 2015
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    g. A. R. B. A. G. E............
     
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