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San Bernardino Shooter Passed DHS Counterterrorism Vetting

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    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...hooting-refugee-crisis-ted-cruz-jeff-sessions


    Report: San Bernardino Shooter Passed DHS Counterterrorism Vetting

    Senator Ted Cruz (R., Texas) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.) want President Obama to release the immigration records of the San Bernardino shooters, arguing they should play a key role in the coming debate over funding the Syrian refugee resettlement& program. Their request comes as CBS reports that one of the shooting suspects passed the Department of Homeland Security’s “counterterrorism screening as part of her vetting” for a visa. Federal officials maintain that they have a rigorous and effective screening process in place for people from countries such as Syria that have significant jihadist movements, making the immigration records of the San Bernardino shooters a potentially significant piece of the debate over refugee policy.
     
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    Are the processes for vetting refugees and fiancee visas the same. She's from Pakistan, if I'm correctly recalling. Does Pakistan have the same problem with maintaining records by which to help vet people?
     
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    Why don't you ask your president? His administration won't tell anybody what checks are used on either.
     
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    Why? He doesn't do the vetting.
    If you were vetting for the safety of the nation, would you think it prudent to broadcast those checks? Perhaps Sen. Cruz can fill us in once he finds something out? I doubt it will happen because he's learned how to play politics.
     
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    Your questions are what were really dumb.Thumbsup
     
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    The problem with the simplistic approach here is the male was born in Illinois and the wife came over (I believe) on a spousal visa. So, neither came in as "refugees". And as noted the wife is from Pakistan, so she wasn't on the radar.
     
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    She still had to undergo a Homeland security screening.
     
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    That doesn't mean it's the same or as stringent as it is for refugees. Homeland Security is one of many who assist in the refugee screening.
     
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    But not as a refugee, her interview was as for a spousal visa based on her husband's citizenship. And she was from Pakistan. So, there weren't (IMHO) the obvious red flags.
     
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    You apparently know something I don't. How is the vetting process different? And if it is, why? Pakistan is a hotbed of terrorist activity.
     
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    How is it different?
     
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    ISIS loyalist woman in San Bernardino massacre is linked to Pakistan's most notorious radical cleric and mosque known as center for fundamentalists


    The woman who took part in the ISIS-inspired San Bernardino massacre is linked to her native country's most notorious radical mosque, American officials believe.
    Sources have told Daily Mail Online that US officials handed over information to their Pakistani counterparts about links between Tashfeen Malik and the Red Mosque in Islamabad.
    The mosque is infamous for its links to violence and authorities in Pakistan are now considering taking action against its preacher, Maulana Abdul Aziz, after the disclosures by US officials.
    It is unclear currently how law enforcement and intelligence agencies in the US have connected Malik to the mosque.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...own-center-fundamentalists.html#ixzz3tPO3XfH5
     
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    Never should have been issued a visa after lying on her application.


    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-shooting/


    Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a “fiancé” visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner’s temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.
     
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    To start, she wouldn't be considered a refugee. She applied for a fiancee visa. If she were a refugee, she would have started at the UN and gone through their initial screening process and background check.

    From there, the United States process could begin. It includes investigation and screening from The State Department, the FBI, the Department of Defense and Homeland Security.ate in the world today that the vetting process would be the same for everyone trying to come into the country considering how many folks keep seeming to get radicalized.

    This of course would never work as it would put a pinch on international tourism. And no Senator or Congressperson wants to be known as the one to cost their state billions of dollars.

    This really seems to be a no win situation because as soon as we set stipulations on entry from certain countries, all they have to do is activate cells in countries that aren't on the list and the people enter the US from those countries.
     
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    Some screening. They didn't even bother to check her addresses.
     
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    I know. It's ridiculous. People have been saying for years that we've got a problem, security wise, with the way we do visas in this country. Students have literally come over here and disappeared. And you know that the bad guys know that if a student can get into the country that way, then they certainly can get folks in that way.
     
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    They should check how things work in Lebanon. Try to enter Lebanon if your passport shows you have been to Israel. Ain't happening.






    That's why ya gotta have two passports.;)
    But then again, the US depends a lot on its tourism industry. I don't folks from around the world are really itching to go to Beirut.:D
     
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