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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by BroRick, May 12, 2016.

  1. BroRick

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    From what I've experienced, it either agrees with the KJV or gives footnotes to the original manuscripts.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    It was originally going to be based upon the majority text, but the general editor of it passed away, and so was switched to the Critical greek text instead...

    I see it in same way as the Niv, as trying to mediate between formal and De versions, and in some ways, see it as being a tad more literal and formal than the Niv version...
     
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    A true tragedy. The original general editor was a man who was involved producing the excellent NKJV. The HCSB could have been a great Bible, but the new editor gave has the deplorable HCSB.
     
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    The HCSB is not in much agreement with the KJV. The HCSB is filled with Dispenationalist bias and just doubtful translation choices as if it wants to be different just to be different. For an example:

    KJV:

    Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. 2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

    Here's the HCSB:

    Acts 6:1 In those days, as the number of the disciples was multiplying, there arose a complaint by the Hellenistic Jews against the Hebraic Jews that their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution. 2 Then the Twelve summoned the whole company of the disciples and said, “It would not be right for us to give up preaching about God to handle financial matters.

    The KJV is correct. Acts 6 doesn't identify either the Hellenists or the Hebrews as "Jews". The HCSB inserts the word "Jews" out of Dispensationalist bias. They weren't "Jews" (but, I won't get into why, here).

    The KJV is correct, the Apostles didn't want to use their time to "serve tables". The HCSB tells us the Apostles didn't want to use their time to handle "financial matters." The HCSB translators decided that "serve tables" is a figure of speech for financial matters (see, Jesus vs. tables of the money changers in the Temple). What? The widows were being given money daily? Doubtful. Food is what people need daily, and food what is served at tables.

    This is not an exception. the HCSB is pervasively twisted cover-to-cover.
     
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    Tend to see it as being a shade more conservative version of the new niv!
     
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    If "conservative" means faithful to the original languages, the HCSB is not more conservative than the NIV. HCSB is just more Dispensationalist and Baptist than the NIV. NIV is better in that it isn't filled with odd and arbitrary translation choices. Like in Acts 6:2, the verses I quoted above, the NIV uses "wait on tables" where the HCSB uses "financial matters."

    On v6:2
    KJV most literal "serve tables"
    NIV paraphrase-ish "wait on tables"
    HCSB nonsense "financial matters"
     
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    I agree with what is being said about the Holman, but that is what our pastor uses. I use the KJV for the most part, and an old NKJV left me by my father, and a copy of the NASB. I notice, though, that where the Holman IS NOT good, our pastor has his KJV or NKJV out or at least a copy of those texts he's reading with him from those versions. I appreciate his candor and honesty.
     
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    You are in violation off BB rules.
     
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    There is no warrant for your [Edited] screeds. You are breaking the rules of the BB for stating the above.
     
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    Are you saying this due to then changing off the Majority to the Critical text, or due to their way of translation used?
     
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    I've never forgotten it being dubbed the "HardCore Southern Baptist" version.
     
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    The text the HCSB is based is bad enough, but the translators take a lot of liberties with their translating of the underlying text.
     
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    I think of the KJV as the hardcore Southern Baptist version. Any new Baptist version should use the Textus Receptus and stay faithful Baptist tradition, while striving to be literal.

    The only thing Baptist about the HCSB is an arm of the SBC made it. The HCSB is corrupted to support some false-doctrines that gained popularity in the 20th century, but those are not traditional Baptist doctrines.
     
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    Which one? There are over 30 of them, all different.
     
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    I bet you're baffled why any translation exists. How did any of them decide which source to use.
     
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    The question remains, "Which one? There are over 30 of them, all different."
     
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