Free-will, Lucifer and God

[TCassidy]

Thou wast in Eden

This is a strong sarcasm. You are like Adam, when in his innocence and excellence he was in the garden of Eden! Adam, the first and best man.

Thou wast the anointed cherub

The sarcasm continues; and here he is likened to the Cherub that guarded the gates of Paradise, and kept the way of the tree of life. Arrogantly assuming his power is much greater than it really was.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways

The sarcasm is kept up. Thou hast been like the angels, like Moses, like the cherubs, like Adam, like God, till thy iniquity was found out. His pride and arrogance was so great he was better than any and all men. Until his folly was exposed to all.

Again, this is no description of a mortal man.

It is a description of all men when their pride overwhelms them.

 

[SovereignGrace]

This is a strong sarcasm. You are like Adam, when in his innocence and excellence he was in the garden of Eden! Adam, the first and best man.

The sarcasm continues; and here he is likened to the Cherub that guarded the gates of Paradise, and kept the way of the tree of life. Arrogantly assuming his power is much greater than it really was.

The sarcasm is kept up. Thou hast been like the angels, like Moses, like the cherubs, like Adam, like God, till thy iniquity was found out. His pride and arrogance was so great he was better than any and all men. Until his folly was exposed to all.

It is a description of all men when their pride overwhelms them.

Do you see this as a dual prophecy also? I am not settled on this, but can see where it could be. Good post btw...

 

[AndThisGospel]

I read something from gotquestion.org and they said this passage was probably a dual prophecy. It was addressing the king of Tyre, but was also telling us about the fall of Satan.

Exactly....

 

[AndThisGospel]

This is a strong sarcasm. ....The sarcasm continues; and here he is likened to the Cherub ....The sarcasm is kept up.

This is bordering on the absurd. Die hard Calvinists will do anything, even diminish the clear written word, to keep their heretical doctrine alive. Why? Free-will ideas must be extinguished at any cost...

 

[AndThisGospel]

You actually claim the Creator God is just performing an experiment gone horribly wrong....

I never said that! Stop with the lies! How can a person, who claims God hand-picked him to be saved, continually make false accusations?

 

[MennoSota]

I never said that! Stop with the lies! How can a person, who claims God hand-picked him to be saved, continually make false accusations?

I quoted you. How is it possible for me to lie when I quoted you?

"Thus the history of this terrible experiment."

Your words. You called the entrance of sin into God's creation "a terrible experiment."

Would you care to recant?

 

[AndThisGospel]

We are not and it does not give us license to make things up out of thin air.

Well, then stop doing it....

 

[AndThisGospel]

I quoted you. How is it possible for me to lie when I quoted you?

I am going to prove you to be a fraud and a liar! Quote me word for word, if you can. Do you wish to apologize now or cover & justify your sin?

 

[MennoSota]

I am going to prove you to be a fraud and a liar! Quote me word for word, if you can. Do you wish to apologize now or cover & justify your sin?

"Thus the history of this terrible experiment."

Your words. You called the entrance of sin into God's creation "a terrible experiment."

Care to recant?

 

[AndThisGospel]

"Thus the history of this terrible experiment."

Your words. You called the entrance of sin into God's creation "a terrible experiment."

Here's what I said in context without your twists and contortions:

Satan's rebellion was to be a lesson to the universe through all coming ages--a perpetual testimony to the nature of the love of self and its terrible results. The working out of Satan's rule, its effects upon both men and angels, would show what must be the fruit of setting aside God's agape love. The allowance of iniquity would testify that with the existence of God's government is bound up the well-being of all the creatures He has made. Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be a perpetual safeguard all of God's creation, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of sin.

God allowed sin for a purpose and that purpose was to fully expose iniquity for what it is - a deceiver. Then, once God shuts down this terrible experiment, "trouble will not arise a second time." Nahum 1:9 Why? Because all of His creation sees the effects of setting aside God's divine agape love. They will be no longer ignorant to the nature of sin.

 

[MennoSota]

Here's what I said in context without your twists and contortions:

Satan's rebellion was to be a lesson to the universe through all coming ages--a perpetual testimony to the nature of the love of self and its terrible results. The working out of Satan's rule, its effects upon both men and angels, would show what must be the fruit of setting aside God's agape love. The allowance of iniquity would testify that with the existence of God's government is bound up the well-being of all the creatures He has made. Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be a perpetual safeguard all of God's creation, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of sin.

God allowed sin for a purpose and that purpose was to fully expose iniquity for what it is - a deceiver. Then, once God shuts down this terrible experiment, "trouble will not arise a second time." Nahum 1:9 Why? Because all of His creation sees the effects of setting aside God's divine agape love. They will be no longer ignorant to the nature of sin.

Yep there it is. You called God's work a "terrible experiment."

Thanks for reconfirming. I take it you refuse to recant.

 

[AndThisGospel]

Yep there it is. You called God's work a "terrible experiment."

I said "the working out of Satan's rule", not God's work....Therefore you twisted what I said. That's lying.

"Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion (i.e, the working out of Satan's rule) was to be a perpetual safeguard all of God's creation, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of sin."

You need to apologize.

 

[MennoSota]

I said "the working out of Satan's rule", not God's work....Therefore you twisted what I said. That's lying.

"Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be a perpetual safeguard all of God's creation, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of sin."

You need to apologize.

You either deny God is Sovereign or you say God performed a terrible experiment. Which is it?

 

[AndThisGospel]

You either deny God is Sovereign or you say God performed a terrible experiment. Which is it?

No, no...You apologize first for putting words in my mouth that I didn't say!

 

[MennoSota]

No, no...You apologize first for putting words in my mouth that I didn't say!

I quoted you. You put those words in your mouth.

 

[AndThisGospel]

I quoted you. You put those words in your mouth.

You quoted me out of context....That's not quoting me. You placed your spin on my words. Shame on you....

 

[StefanM]

 

[AndThisGospel]

Here's what you claim that I said: "You called God's work a 'terrible experiment.'"

I never said that. You quoted only the words "terrible experiment" and paraphrased the rest. That is being dishonest.

 

[StefanM]

[HASHTAG]#alternativequotes[/HASHTAG] ?

 

[MennoSota]

You quoted me out of context....That's not quoting me. You placed your spin on my words. Shame on you....

The context is either you think God performed a terrible experiment or you think God is not Sovereign. Which is it?