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The unjustified war on cops
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On Saturday, Heather Mac Donald, Manhattan Institute Fellow and author of The War on Cops, appeared on Fox & Friends to discuss the “take a knee” controversy. Mac Donald believes the protest is focused on the wrong issue, as black homicides have increased since the explosion of the Black Lives Matter movement.
The following is Mac Donald’s exchange with host Pete Hegseth:
HEGSETH: So you say the real story here is — there is a different story to be told about black homicide rates?
MAC DONALD: It's the opposite story than the public thinks it knows from Black Lives Matter. The greatest safety that comes to blacks is from the police, and police now are backing off thanks to the Black Lives Matter protests, and black lives are being taken by criminals, not the police.
HEGSETH: You call it the Ferguson Effect. What do you mean by that?
MAC DONALD: Well, after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, in August 2014, a narrative took hold of the national mainstream media that said we're living through an epidemic of racially biased police shootings of blacks, and there was incessant attacks on the police.
Cops backed off of the type of discretionary, proactive policing that prevents crime under this incessant accusation that they were racist, and criminals became emboldened.
Since 2014 there's been a 20% increase in our homicide rate — an additional 900 black males were killed in 2015 compared to the previous year, and last year, another additional 900 black males were killed.
HEGSETH: And as is always the case with the work that you do, the stats back this up. Pew Research released this in January, saying, to your point, 72% of the nation's officers are less willing to stop and question suspicious persons.
So you're saying, maybe it's 2 a.m. on a street corner. Normally, a cop would say: "Hey, why are you loitering here at 2 a.m. on a street corner?" Now they might just drive by.
MAC DONALD: And that's purely discretionary. The cops continue to run to 911 calls with alacrity, but the things that make criminals actually not engage in crime, they don't have to do that. And when the elites are telling them they're racist for doing so, of course they're gonna get the message. And the victims are the law abiding residents of high crime areas who beg for more police protection.
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The following is Mac Donald’s exchange with host Pete Hegseth:
HEGSETH: So you say the real story here is — there is a different story to be told about black homicide rates?
MAC DONALD: It's the opposite story than the public thinks it knows from Black Lives Matter. The greatest safety that comes to blacks is from the police, and police now are backing off thanks to the Black Lives Matter protests, and black lives are being taken by criminals, not the police.
HEGSETH: You call it the Ferguson Effect. What do you mean by that?
MAC DONALD: Well, after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, in August 2014, a narrative took hold of the national mainstream media that said we're living through an epidemic of racially biased police shootings of blacks, and there was incessant attacks on the police.
Cops backed off of the type of discretionary, proactive policing that prevents crime under this incessant accusation that they were racist, and criminals became emboldened.
Since 2014 there's been a 20% increase in our homicide rate — an additional 900 black males were killed in 2015 compared to the previous year, and last year, another additional 900 black males were killed.
HEGSETH: And as is always the case with the work that you do, the stats back this up. Pew Research released this in January, saying, to your point, 72% of the nation's officers are less willing to stop and question suspicious persons.
So you're saying, maybe it's 2 a.m. on a street corner. Normally, a cop would say: "Hey, why are you loitering here at 2 a.m. on a street corner?" Now they might just drive by.
MAC DONALD: And that's purely discretionary. The cops continue to run to 911 calls with alacrity, but the things that make criminals actually not engage in crime, they don't have to do that. And when the elites are telling them they're racist for doing so, of course they're gonna get the message. And the victims are the law abiding residents of high crime areas who beg for more police protection.
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Law Enforcement as a whole has become a monster The founders did not intend. They have way too much power. I see them more as a nuisance than as protectors. They look and act more like military units than servants. The lower economic classes of citizens have good reason to hate them. Law is enforced based primarily on economic status. (Hillary Clinton should be in the pen.)
No it hasn't
Yes it has. When you quote something, don't edit it to alter meaning. Its dishonest. "That the founders did not intend" was vital to my point.
Naa, no evidence to back that up whatsoever
History is your evidence. How much power did police have in 1790 as compared to today? Almost none!
It has always been left up to the states. If you believe they had almost none you will have to show me clear evidence of that. However, the addition of responsibilities along the way was inevitable as the need arose to police illegal activity. Nothing wrong with that constitutionally.
Are you serious? The power the Federal Law Enforcement (if that's what you wish to discuss) have today would have teffified the founders.
FBI, Secret Service, BATFE, DEA, Postal INSPECTOR, HOMELAND SECURITY, ring any bells for you?
Ok this is about cops. Every day local police officers. Not federal agents. Let's not conflate the two.
An inconvenient truth you can't deal with?
A badge is a badge in the mind of the general public?
I like the Feds. For the most part they are fighting real crime. The local locals hiding in alleyways writing stop sign tickets to Grandma so they can pay their fat bellied mayors salary are the ones who truly annoy me.
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Sigh people do not think of the feds when we talk about cops. Nothing inconvenient for me. It allows you to claim abuse and pile them all in together. They are not the same things and cannot be conflated with any integrity.
Why not?
Which are good and which bad?
Sheriff? Local police? State Police? Feds?
See, its hard to separate.
The Feds in my book are ok.they are Unconstitutional, but OK. They fight real crime. If they devote their time to you, there is a 99.9% chance that you deserve it. Local yocal bubba with donut glazing on his tie who just needs to stroke tickets and generate revenue is another story.
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Reynolds, you need to realize you speak for yourself and your local jurisdiction. My local police (Praise the Lord, I don't live in San Francisco) and Highway Patrol are reasonably good people. I left out the Sheriff's Department since I live in an incorporated city so it doesn't patrol our streets or highway. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw a county sheriff's car in my tow.
Here the Sheriff is excellent. The State Patrol is good. The local police are money extorting crooks. Keep in mind that while I worked RDE task force, I worked with over 40 agencies. Most the Police departments were nothing but money generators. They had no real interest in making drug arrests because the county and State, not the city, got all the money on felony cases. I went to training all across the country. I trained with SWAT officers from many agencies. Lets leave it at, there are some very bad apples in the L.E. barrel. The stuff I saw would turn your stomach. Officers paid off. Officers tipping off targets of investigations. Supervisors and agency heads covering for them. Officers frequenting the local prostitutes. Money going missing. Drugs going missing. Guns frequently disappearing from evidence. A few get caught. Most never do. Most did not like me because I would not go along. I have heard the conversations about ticket writing for revenue. I have seen good officers hassled and forced out because they would not write tickets to generate revenue. Please don't try to convince me how noble the local police are. You won't see me with a "back the blue" yard sign. I do not commit crime. I have no need for L.E. to stop me on trumped up Crap and annoy me, just because they want money to fund their crummy little departments. Not long ago one of the deputies in a surrounding county stopped my mother (almost 80 years old) and hassled her. She was taking my father to the Emergency room. She was not doing anything wrong. I talked to a Captain in that dept. and he said she had the same car as a local drug dealer is why she was stopped. He said "you worked interdiction for years, you know how it is."
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The Feds have a much higher level of integrity.
Because of what you wrote in post 16 is why I wrote:
Law Enforcement is much too varied for me to project what happens my locality on to what happens in another part of the country.
I don't see that as a matter of wealth, but a matter of politics.
Like everywhere; the good, the bad, the ugly.