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Merry Christmas: Senate Passes Tax Cut Bill 51-49

Earth Wind and Fire

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Then why do you vote for big gov. libs like Obama? Check the history of your party and see how backslidden it is. Kennedy did large tax cuts, even what you would consider tax cuts for the rich. He was pro-life, pro-military. He wouldn't have a chance at the dem nomination today.

I'd also urge you to look into the historical effects of tax cuts. You'll find they virtually always increase revenue.
You must be dumb as a box of rocks. How many times have I told you that I am a conservative independent! Is there something wrong with your comprehension or is it that you have dementia? How old are you anyway?
 

Calminian

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You must be dumb as a box of rocks. How many times have I told you that I am a conservative independent! Is there something wrong with your comprehension or is it that you have dementia? How old are you anyway?

I never go by the labels people apply to themselves. I go by what they say and advocate, and you've said plenty over the months. I know exactly where you stand.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I never go by the labels people apply to themselves. I go by what they say and advocate, and you've said plenty over the months. I know exactly where you stand.
I have absolutely no allegiance to either side...and that makes me my own man, not subject to the standpoints of either side. I choose my way of life calmly. I have never permitted myself to owe any other man and have not permitted others to be in my debt. I live only my own life and I enjoy it immensely and would have no other. Does that answer your question?
 

Calminian

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No, not really. We are love what is good and hate evil. To be okay with both, to me, is an issue. Part of the misunderstanding of the concept of hate that reigns today. Christians should be both in favor and opposed to certain policy. To ride the fence is part of the problem.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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No, not really. We are love what is good and hate evil. To be okay with both, to me, is an issue. Part of the misunderstanding of the concept of hate that reigns today. Christians should be both in favor and opposed to certain policy. To ride the fence is part of the problem.
Now you are attempting to define me in your own black or white world and it doesn’t cut it and that’s why you are tribal and that creates its own style of hate. You will therefore hate your neighbor because he does not think your way, go to your same church, vote for the same candidates etc. I on the other hand mind my own business, make my own money, pay my own bills and live my own life free of the absurdity of life. You should also try minding your own business, maybe you’d mature and stop attacking windmills
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Pay back? Why? Are we borrowing this money? No! It's our money.

Man, you've already conceded the battle if you think of tax relief as a debt we owe the government.

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We don’t owe anybody not the citizens who have been pressed by intolerant taxes. It is our government however that is on the hook for taking money from foreign governments that conserns me....and you know who they are coming after to pay down that Dept don’t you. Take a look at that sign in nyc and tell me what it says. 1st line then the 2nd.
Sixth Avenue’s National Debt Clock coming down — for now
 
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Calminian

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Now you are attempting to define me in your own black or white world and it doesn’t cut it and that’s why you are tribal and that creates its own style of hate. You will therefore hate your neighbor because he does not think your way, go to your same church, vote for the same candidates etc. I on the other hand mind my own business, make my own money, pay my own bills and live my own life free of the absurdity of life. You should also try minding your own business, maybe you’d mature and stop attacking windmills

You sure do throw out the accusations liberally. You sure this is the attitude God wants you to have?
 

Calminian

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Yea, we talk all the time. Let me ask you, do you believe that Jesus is an idealist?

I would think he was. But you're accusing me of hating my neighbor, and claiming you're minding your own business. Do you have evidence for either? Or is this just a tantrum?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I would think he was. But you're accusing me of hating my neighbor, and claiming you're minding your own business. Do you have evidence for either? Or is this just a tantrum?
Why is Christ an idealist? I seem to recall that He spoke to a rich young man and told him, “Why do you call me good, none save God is good.” To me that is an honest remark from a very sensible person. That is hardly the remark of an idealist.
 

FollowTheWay

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I'm sick and tired of being told the government is going to lose money if I get to keep mine. Cut spending!

Also, it's not going to be 2 trillion, it's more like a net of -520 billion over ten years. With the economic activity and job creation the tax cuts will bring I would call $52 billion a year a good deal.
Do you have any idea what's in this bill? Do you even care? It was changed on the fly at 1 AM. The Senators voting on it never got to read it. I don't think that's the way to run a government but obviously you do.
 

Calminian

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Why is Christ an idealist? I seem to recall that He spoke to a rich young man and told him, “Why do you call me good, none save God is good.” To me that is an honest remark from a very sensible person. That is hardly the remark of an idealist.

Or it means Christ was actually claiming to be God in that passage.
 

FollowTheWay

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I did say EXACTLY this a few months ago.

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In fact, I wish I could have said this about the tax reform bill a few months ago. If you remember (probably not) I've been advocating quick passage of this bill since about inauguration day. I was wondering what took so long. Thankful that it's finally done.

It's going to take about two years for corporations to really start investing their new found earnings into equipment, expansion, and new hiring. I figure the first year they will use the extra money to retire debt, pay shareholder dividends, give out executive bonuses, and buy back their own stock. Then in year two they will start actually spending on tangible stuff.

Meanwhile, the stock market is going to go crazy. I figure it will be up another 15% - 20% by this time next year. Dow will be around 28,000 points. Good times.
Corporate CEO's have stated they plan to use the benefits of this bill to repurchase their stock and to increase dividends not to increase wages, R&D or capital equipment purchases. In other words, almost all of the benefits go to the top 1% and very little to the rest of us. In fact many middle class Americans will see their taxes go up.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/trump-s-tax-promises-undercut-by-ceo-plans-to-reward-investors


Robert Bradway, chief executive of Amgen Inc., said in an Oct. 25 earnings call that the company has been “actively returning capital in the form of growing dividend and buyback and I’d expect us to continue that.” Executives including Coca-Cola CEO James Quincey, Pfizer Chief Financial Officer Frank D’Amelio and Cisco CFO Kelly Kramer have recently made similar statements.

“We’ll be able to get much more aggressive on the share buyback” after a tax cut, Kramer said in a Nov. 16 interview.

U.S. voters disapprove of the Republican tax legislation by a two-to-one margin, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Nov. 15, and corporate promises to return any windfall to investors aren’t helping the White House sales effort. The Trump administration has appeared flummoxed. At a Nov. 14 speech to the Wall Street Journal CEO Council by Trump’s top economic adviser, Gary Cohn, the moderator asked business leaders in the audience for a show of hands if they planned to reinvest tax cut proceeds. Few people responded.


“Why aren’t the other hands up?” Cohn asked.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Or it means Christ was actually claiming to be God in that passage.
No He was pointing to the father. He was making it pretty clear who is in charge and it isn’t man. Further if the human race puts themselves in front of man he is doomed. Idealists are the fools of the earth, they never face reality, meet I head to head and learn from it , they just whine and complain that it should be this and why can’t it be this or that.

No I measure Jesus to be sensible..with his real Authority coming from the Father. It is the idealist that is the fool, they want something for nothing and dream of a life of milk and honey, without doing something for nothing to get it. If there are actually angels, I believe they denounce fools more than any other criminal. What’s more, I believe that beginning now, America will be ruled & eventually destroyed by fools. It has to happen. That should make folks like Bannon very happy...he strikes me like a guy who likes watching things burn to the ground.
 

Calminian

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No He was pointing to the father. He was making it pretty clear who is in charge and it isn’t man. ....

He said, "why do you call me good?" He said nothing about him being in charge, or the other stuff you're pushing. Jesus said explicitly, only God is good. He also called himself good in many passages (The good shepherd for instance). The conclusion is unescapable. Jesus is good therefore, he's God. This is simple exegesis. If Jesus is not good, he is not God.
 

InTheLight

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Do you have any idea what's in this bill? Do you even care? It was changed on the fly at 1 AM. The Senators voting on it never got to read it. I don't think that's the way to run a government but obviously you do.

Yep. Yep. Yep. Watched C-SPAN 2 live debate until past 10 pm and the various blocking attempts by Dems. The debate over the Hillsdale College amendment by Toomey was great theater. So was the bit with Schumer holding up the page that had been changed with handwritten cursive in the margins. And I was surprised that some Dems voted "For" the Rubio/Lee amendment.

Some Dem senators complained about not reading it, but the reality is they were going to vote "No" regardless. Everybody knew what was in it. Any quibbling special perks will be ironed out or removed in conference committee.

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