Jerry Walls wicked and profane question about God..part2

The "Calvinistic" teaching of Pre-destination/Election, is NOT based on the Word of God, the Holy Bible, but the theology of some deluded individuals.

 

And who regenerates them?

 

Name them

 

those responsible for formulating "The Five Points of Calvinism".

 

And who are they exactly?

 

https://www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/confessions/canons-dort

 

What I was looking for an answer actually that is the teaching of Jesus as recorded in John 6 & 10 and elsewhere. The apostle Paul confirmed The Doctrines in his letters to the Romans, the Ephesians and others. Augustine argued for the same truths over against the denials of Pelagius. I can go on and on but why... you won’t listen.

 

Notice how you rightly say Augustine, because before him the Church rightly did NOT teach this. Based on Augustine's heretical teaching on the Ransom Theory of the Atonement, what he says on serious teachings are not worth listening to, like "double predestination", which is another heresy. Neither John, Romans or Ephesians, of elsewhere teach the Reformed position of this or Election, which has been twisted for theological purposes.

 

Like I said, he won’t listen so why make the effort.

 

If they died unregenerate, no one. They can’t regenerate themselves. This only occurs via the gospel.

 

I’m not buying it.

 

the problem with the Reformed group is very simple. They are noted for exploiting certain verses that they suppose support their "theology", while completely ignore the general teachings of the Holy Bible. To counter any such doctrine, the passage of John 3:16, will suffice, which is very clear that not only that God loves the entire human race, but also provided for their salvation in the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. They use the term "Calvinist" to promote these unbiblical doctrines, but completely ignore what John Calvin, the name they revere, has to say. I will post this once again:

"Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race; for he contrasts many with one" (Mark 14:24)

Note the language of John Calvin. The reference is to the Lord's Supper in Mark's Gospel, where Jesus says, "And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many", speaking of the shedding of His blood on the cross for the sins of "the many". On the use of "many", Calvin says, that Jesus does not include "only part of the world", which is exactly what we would not expect, if Jesus died ONLY for the elect. Calvin then goes on to use more un-Calvinistic language, by saying exactly who is included in this "many", for whom Jesus was to shed His blood, "THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE". The context is very clear, Jesus is here speaking of His forthcoming Death for the sins of the WHOLE human race. The same account in Luke's Gospel agrees with what Calvin says, because there Judas is included in, when Jesus speaks to him, as He does right here in Mark.

"That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life. (John 3:16)

Again, here we read of language that we would not expect any "Calvinist" use for this passage in John 3. "universal term whosoever". Jesus "invites all indiscriminately to partake of life...entrance into eternal life". Jesus, says Calvin, by His death, was to "reconcile the WHOLE WORLD", which we see from Mark 14:24, means "THE HUMAN RACE", which CANNOT refer only to the "elect", as some suppose the Bible teaches! Then Calvin goes on to say, not using "Calvinistic" language, "all without distinction", but, "ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION", which means that Jesus, by His Death, has opened up the Way for EVERY HUMAN BEING, from Adam till the last person, to have ETERNAL LIFE. It is very clear from John Calvin's own language here, that he is NOT a "Calvinist"!

"He says that this redemption was procured through the blood of Christ, for by the sacrifice of his death all the sins of the world have been expiated" (Colossians 1:14)

Calvin's words here, are also very clear as to the scope of the Death of Jesus Christ. While some have convinced themselves, against the Teachings of the Holy Bible, that Jesus' Death does benefit the human race, as they all benefit from the rain, sunshine and food, which the Lord blesses all with (as if this were not the case before Jesus died!), Calvin here is clear, that Jesus actually died for the SINS of "the world", that is, "THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE".

Yet "Calvinists" will refuse to accept what John Calvin says here, and still blindly argue that they have a case from the Holy Bible for their nonsense!

 

please read and respond to #36

 

well, according to the warped theology that is supposed to be "Reformed", God sends them there, because He never made any provision for the sins of those who will be lost. Such is the perverseness of those who would twist the plain Teachings of the Holy Bible, and teach outrageous things that God never sanctions.

 

Of course you don’t. God chose the foolishness of preaching to save sinners.[1 Corinthians 1:21] After you heard the gospel and having believed, then are you sealed with the Holy Spirit.[Ephesians 1:13] Faith comes by hearing the message about the Christ.[Romans 10:17] I am not ashamed of the gospel of the Christ, for it is the power of God to save both Jews and Gentiles.[Romans 1:16]

No gospel, no salvation.

 

It is obvious that this person who calls themselves, "sovereign grace", cannot respond from the Holy Bible, to what I write, but supposes that I am in need of their "prayers", as if what I am saying is not taught in the Bible! If it is not, then prove it wrong!