Police and city violated civil rights by not going after Pulse shooter, lawsuit claims

[Revmitchell]

wo years after the massacre at Pulse nightclub, Berto Capo said he still wonders whether his brother, Luis Omar Ocasio-Capo, might have survived if police had done more to stop the gunman.

“What if the Orlando Police officers who responded to the shooting were aggressive with a plan to rescue victims and hostages and kill the shooter?” Capo asked Thursday. “Would my brother still be alive?”

More than two dozen survivors of the Pulse nightclub mass shooting and family members of nine of the 49 people killed, including Capo, are suing Orlando Police officers and the city, saying they violated club patrons’ civil rights by not immediately entering the building to confront the gunman.

“These defendants chose to allow the patrons of the club to be massacred while these defendants ensured only that they themselves were safe,” the federal lawsuit states. “These defendants knew that there were innocent people being massacred and that they themselves were the only ones who could stop it, and that it was their job to do so, yet they still, in a manner [that] shocks the conscience, chose to disregard the safety of the patrons while instead ensuring only that they themselves were safe.”

Police and city violated civil rights by not going after Pulse shooter, lawsuit claims

 

[Salty]

“What if the Orlando Police officers who responded to the shooting were aggressive with a plan to rescue victims and hostages and kill the shooter?” Capo asked Thursday. “Would my brother still be alive?”

Yet, cops have gotten in trouble for being too aggressive!

An LEO - just cant win for
losing

 

[church mouse guy]

We will never know the truth because the deep state will swallow it up. Same problem with Las Vegas.

 

[atpollard]

I particularly liked these two facts:

"The only defendant identified by name is Orlando Police Officer Adam Gruler, who was working an extra-duty shift at the nightclub south of downtown Orlando that night. Gruler fired at gunman Omar Mateen from two different spots outside the club after the shooting began at 2:02 a.m., but police didn’t enter until 2:08 a.m."

"Also listed as plaintiffs were six people who were shot; 22 more who escaped without gunshot wounds; and Omar Delgado, an Eatonville Police officer who was among the first to enter the club and was left with post-traumatic stress disorder."

So the Police Officer who entered the club and suffered PTSD is among the people suing the Orlando Police for not entering sooner, and the OFF DUTY police officer who was among the first to shoot at the criminal is among those being sued for not doing enough. Clearly nobody involved is just in it for the money.

 

[Revmitchell]

Give me a break on the PTSD for one single event like this. This entire thing including the feigned PTSD is all about getting the city to settle some kind of six figure. People looking for a pay out. The attorney looking to make a name for himself. Around here he is nothing but a ambulance chaser.

 

[Aaron]

What a crock. Their civil rights are violated for not defending themselves. They should sue themselves. "What if I weren't an effeminate pansy and were packing heat? Would my brother still be alive?”

 

[Reynolds]

Yet, cops have gotten in trouble for being too aggressive!

An LEO - just cant win for
losing

Agreed. The mass shooter is causing a real conundrum for law enforcement. The laws must be updated to deal with this issue. I must admit that I was trained in the classic methods of SWAT. We were taught and taught and taught and taught again that you do not do anything flying by the seat of your pants. We were taught not to act until we had our team in place and a backup team within minutes of arrival. We were trained that EVERYTHING is done in an extremely calculated manner. Our training fits the current laws and perfectly lines our actions up with those laws.

Now L.E. has adapted the "active shooter" model of response. It is flying by the seat of your pants. It involves poorly planned responses. It involves reacting WITHOUT overwhelming firepower. It puts the officers in physical risk, but more importantly, It places them in extreme risk of civil and criminal liability. I am courageous enough from a personal safety standpoint to shoot it out in a crowd with an active shooter. Considering the current laws, I am not stupid enough to do it. I don't mind putting my life on the line, but I am not going to prison for 30 years and have my family lose their house because a pass through or a miss hits and kills someone other than the target. LAW ENFORCEMENT MUST BE GIVEN CRIMINAL AND CIVIL IMMUNITY IF THEY ARE EXPECTED TO RESPOND TO AN ACTIVE SHOOTER.

 

[Reynolds]

We will never know the truth because the deep state will swallow it up. Same problem with Las Vegas.

VEGAS, I agree with you. Orlando was just a nut case.

 

[church mouse guy]

VEGAS, I agree with you. Orlando was just a nut case.

It was a jihad attack and the FBI was involved.

 

[Reynolds]

It was a jihad attack and the FBI was involved.

I seriously doubt that.

 

[church mouse guy]

I seriously doubt that.

It's in the news. The father was an FBI informant for years and the son had gotten clearance from the FBI. I mean that the FBI had said don't worry, be happy.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I particularly liked these two facts:

"The only defendant identified by name is Orlando Police Officer Adam Gruler, who was working an extra-duty shift at the nightclub south of downtown Orlando that night. Gruler fired at gunman Omar Mateen from two different spots outside the club after the shooting began at 2:02 a.m., but police didn’t enter until 2:08 a.m."

"Also listed as plaintiffs were six people who were shot; 22 more who escaped without gunshot wounds; and Omar Delgado, an Eatonville Police officer who was among the first to enter the club and was left with post-traumatic stress disorder."

So the Police Officer who entered the club and suffered PTSD is among the people suing the Orlando Police for not entering sooner, and the OFF DUTY police officer who was among the first to shoot at the criminal is among those being sued for not doing enough. Clearly nobody involved is just in it for the money.

It looks like Gruler was working as a security guard at the club. My question would be why did he and other security guards (if any) allow a man with his semiautomatic rifle at the ready to enter the club? I hope nobody says that was his "constitutional right."
‘They took too damn long’: Inside the police response to the Orlando shooting

This article posted says he "fired at the gunman from the "outside the club." Why didn't he go in as a security guard an an off-duty police officer. It seems to me he was derelict in his duty.

 

[Reynolds]

It's in the news. The father was an FBI informant for years and the son had gotten clearance from the FBI. I mean that the FBI had said don't worry, be happy.

In the fake news?
The fact that informants commit crimes is not evidence of anything. It is most definitely not evidence they have permission to commit crimes Un-related to their mission or outside their handlers direct control.
All and I emphasize "All" my good drug informants were drug dealers. All worked for one of three reasons or a combination of 2 and 3.
They are:
1. Work off charges.
2. Take out competition.
3. Money.

While I worked them, I learned everything about them. I was both using them as an informant and building a case against them. When the time was right, I arrested them.

 

[church mouse guy]

It was much like Boston. The FBI was warned and ignored the warnings. The father was the informant.