What brings unity among brethren?

Your opinion is incorrect. The quote of Wesley did not struck a nerve with me as you incorrectly allege.
You jump to a wrong conclusion. I did not need to clarify my Bible beliefs because you choose to jump to false allegations.

 

To me, therein lies the problem.
There are too many people who listen to false teachers ( and refuse correction from Scripture ), all the while claiming to believe the Gospel and God's words.
I rarely run into a professing believer who even remotely exhibits any discernment, preferring to defer to their pastor on everything.

Bring up certain passages and one gets a blank stare...
Talk about something in-depth?

Forget it.

For the most part, they're more interested in the next football game, or the who's-who of politics, or some other distraction.
God's word?
Jesus Christ?

"That's for Sundays".


True believers seem to be like water in the desert, at least in my area.

Again, therein lies a problem...try to get any group of professing believers to agree on anything Scripture states, and "let the games begin".

This forum is an excellent example of the back-and-forth that I started to experience some 15 years ago, now.
Case-in-point, try getting anyone, even here, to agree with what Acts of the Apostles 13:48, John 6:29, John 6:44, John 6:64-65, John 10:26, John 17:2, Romans 8:29-30 and a whole host of others actually say, and I'm sure you'll be forced to admit...

Doctrine divides.
Even Scripture divides.
Most churches don't even bother to go to certain areas of the Bible, because of the risk of controversy.

Over God's word?
Are you kidding me?
It's God's word!


It's pretty much why I shy away from conversations with professing believers in my area anymore.
There are at least 12 of them in the plant where I work...most of them are worldly, none of them read their Bibles to any extent that I'm aware of...
And most of them are doctrinally unsound, from my point of view.

It's like talking to someone who has Jesus Christ on a back burner, and the world at the forefront.
They're all nice people, but their love for Christ seems to be skin-deep.
None of them seem to be going through the trials of faith and tribulations that I am.

Being divided from those who clearly hate Christ so much that they use His name for a curse word is one thing...but trying to initiate a spiritual conversation with someone who values "Christian culture" more than a personal relationship with their Saviour is like cutting teeth.


It's painful, to say the least, and it saddens me greatly.
Apologies for the lament.

 

Everybody can read what YOU did.

 

This thread is about unity, but unity among whom?

Which Jesus and what Gospel? We don't know which Jesus or what gospel you profess a faith in.

Moreover, there are a couple of other people that are members in this Forum that believe in "another Jesus" per 2Corinthians 11:3-4, 12-15

One here: Christ's Return: Spiritual or Physical?

Another here: Is A Silent Church Complicit In The War Crimes of Its State?

Christians are instructed by The Lord Jesus Christ:

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Christians are instructed by The Lord Jesus Christ chosen Apostles:

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

If this Baptist Forum is of The Lord, and I trust that it is, I'm certain the Brethren will agree with Apostle Peter and the other Apostles when it comes to rules not interfering with The Lord's Ministry:

Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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2Jn 1 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
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2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

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2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
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2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

 

That is your opinion and your entitled to it, but The Lord Jesus Christ and His chosen Apostles did not say, at any time, the words "agree to disagree" on Biblical Doctrine. The passages that I shared alone confirm that.

When Jesus was being tempted by the Devil; and Satan wrested the words of God, did The Lord say, oh let's agree to disagree? OR did He rebuke Satan by "what is written"?

 

Thank you for acknowledging that The Lord Jesus Christ and His chosen Apostles did not use the words "agree to disagree". Again, to drive the point home, per Galations 3; Apostle Paul gave instruction in the passage to rebuke error so that the Churches in Galatia would not continue in error. Apostle Paul did the same concerning the Church of God at Corinth. The same instruction is for us today, so that we are afforded the same instruction today. It is only by prayerfully reading and studying these Epistles in their full context, learning them so as to completely understand them can we discern truth from error and to be able to also discern true Brethren from false brethren; true Teachers from false teachers. AND how the Churches are to be Biblically established and set up.

Today, there is a growing famine for the hearing of the words of the Lord. That is why we are seeing so many that are abandoning the faith by embracing false prophets, such as Muslims, S.D.A., Mormons, and so forth. It is only by what is written that we get instruction in righteousness.

 

Please give me precise scripture that refutes me as having spoken a "half truth", because I have not see what you say anywhere in those passages where Apostle Paul accommodated "doctrinal differences".

You say that my argument about Cults is stawman argument? Really? Can you establish your accusation as fact? I strongly disagree and can prove my case with statistical fact and headlined News Articles.

Are Christians allowed to mix with Muslims (Islam), Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasonry, Witchcraft and every other branch and aspect of the Occult? Before you answer please consider these passages: 2Cor 6:14-18, 2Cor 11, Jude, Rev 2-3, 2Pet 2-3, 1Jn, 2Jn, 3Jn, & Matt 24

What did God say? What did Apostle Paul write by inspiration of The Holy Spirit?


1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

What command did Apostle Paul give and why?

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.


2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Could it be that there is a famine for the hearing of the words of the LORD?

Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

 

I am confused by your statement could you elaborate ?

 

Division brings unity. Divide from the non like minded.

 

May I ask you, today with the Masonic Ecumunical Movement of blending religions, headed up by the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, should we not take a faithful stand to not allow for the false prophet groups, such as the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Muslims, along with the antichrist religions of Buddhists, Hindus, etc., and Satanic Freemasons, to not glory as "Christians"?

 

Yes, I agree. We are not to despise the poor and needy, but instead to, if possible to reach them with the Gospel, and yet to be properly balanced to not be unequally yoked with them. Right now, as we speak, there is a member in this Forum that is of the Seventh Day Adventist group, that is excercising free reign to promote and teach the false prophet doctrines. Moreover, the member has a link in his signature to his Occult website. Yesterday, I took time to carefully analyze the site to gather some information.

This is an antichrist quotation, taken from the website, denying the Deity of Jesus Christ by the wresting of the scriptures: "Confessing Millerite Adventists believe that Christ is a divine and infinite Being having the form of God, and all the essential qualities of God, and yet not exactly God in the fullest sense possible."

This is the link to the (Smoking Gun) website: A Commentary on Philippians 2:6 - The Seventh-day Millerite / Adventist / Shubertian Forum

For the sake so I can provide clarity, it is vital to set "translation debate" aside, so that I can convey vital truth as to the Occult use of the "Modern Translations" to undermine "what is written" in The Holy Bible, most expressedly the KJB 1611 concerning Philippians 2:6 On that linked page, you will disciver and find a vast collection of various parallel quotations from multiple so-called "Modern Translations" of that verse. This is one clear example with evidence of HOW and WHY there is an Occult Agenda against The Holy Bible. This practice of "wresting the scriptures" had been accomplished by the Gnostics over a long perdiod of years, to be taught, first, by the collective false prophet groups; the JWs, Mormons, S.D.A., etc., to their deceived adhearants, and in turn, the deceived adhearants are trained in spiritual warfare to use all of these various "Modern Translation", including "running to the Greek" to wrest the very scriptures of the KJB 1611 to propagate this doctrine of devils to preach "another Jesus", and that is why today, these groups have a combined total of well over 60 Million people that have been deceived into Jezebel's camp. These people, were once Baptist, and/or other Christian Denominations. Their combine campaign effort has been strategically orchestrated by the Illuminati to undermine Christianity by deceiving people generationally. Now, stay with me here, as we must also consider the adverse affects against the rest of Society, as their publications have been passed around to people of all backgrounds on both National and Global scale, promoting division and confusion, and subsequently also making atheists out of many people.

As touching the subject again of the Ecumunical Movement, the error of embracing Seventh Day Adventists was first made by Walter Martin when he went to the S.D.A. Headquarters to meet with their Leaders. When he did that, he went into the House of the Dead, and was met by men with flattering lips, and they beguiled him into accepting them as being "Christians".

Today, there is a video of Ravi Zacharias having made similar steps and he met with the Leaders of the Mormons, to forge the merging with that False Prophet Group that teaches "another jesus" that is not God, but instead "Satan's brother". Complete blasphemy!

I have cited these two examples, as we are witnessing the aftermath of the great falling away from the faith, as we see yet, that the vast majority of Millenials have completely abandoned the faith of Jesus Christ and Him crucified, to convert to Witchcraft, while over 70% of "professing Christians" no longer believe that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way, saying that they believe that all other religions believe the "same god", not discerning that Allah, the Muslim's moon god, had no son; and that Hindus and Buddhists worship thousands of images of idols, including Buddha, and Monkey and other such abominations. This is the very fulfillment of Jude 1:4 per "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness," and this has been carried out and accomplished by false teachers that have crept in unawares into our Churches. None else other than the Freemasons, the enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church. It is difficult for me to mention Walter Martin's name. I know that he wrote the Kingdom of the Cults, and much of his work is used in the Counter Cult Ministry, but he did ignore warnings that had been sounded by other Baptists, and as a result, the S.D.A. False Prophet has been embraced by many Denominational, Non-Denominational, and Inter-Denoninational Groups, and it has had devastating consequences, just as Ravi Zacharias embracement of the Mormons, as he had also ignored warnings from Christians will result in full saturation of leaven into the Churches. This is why there is so much division and confusion, but we must remain faithful and be separate.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is a website that I would like to share, of people that have been saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and have been set free from several false prophet strongholds, and their testimonies are availble online to listen to and/or download for free, and they can be useful to learn how to witness and share the Gospel to the deceived. www.towertotruth.net