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Notre Dame Cathedral ON FIRE!

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  1. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    I doubt it.
     
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    Yes I am a "cradle" Catholic (or was).

    My memories from my childhood days were those of a happy boyhood where Sundays were spent first at mass then over to my grandparents who lived in the Italian neighborhood of the North End of Boston where we spent most of the day eating and being a family. I had not an inkling that there was any other God than the The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

    I hope you can forgive me of that.
     
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    Yes Seattle seems more secular than religious by any measure.

    The second part of your post however is that it is or would be difficult to measure the dollars (or pounds or lira, whatever) that Notre Dame brings into and contributes to France's economy, etc...
     
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    No one goes to Paris anymore. It is dirty and dangerous. I think that the French government may have confiscated the cathedral during the French Revolution and never returned it.

    Also, Church Militant said that only 4% of French go to mass. I was using in error the figure of 6%. They also cited French sources in saying that in 20 or 30 years there will be no more anything left of the RCC in France.

    This may be like Vegas in that the whole thing will never be explained to the public.
     
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    :Roflmao
     
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    Trump said that no one goes to Paris anymore.

    Seattle or Portland would be nicer. Paris smells of urine and there is human excrement everywhere. Tourists are in danger outside their hotels. There are no police in sight. Why don't you go see for yourself?
     
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    You can be my proxy.
     
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    I don't have enough money to get to Paris, Texas.

    Rebel Media is reporting that there were no workmen on site when the fire started.

     
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    Seattle has these qualities as well.
     
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    The French government owns (practically) all the churches built before 1905. It leases Notre Dame to the Roman Catholic Church.
     
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    And ... ?
     
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    So Trump says it, so it must be true?

    Ha Ha.
     
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    I kinda agree with President Trump. I don't like Paris. Every time I've been the garbage people have been on strike and bags upon bags were piled up and rotting under the bridges. I like the small towns between France and Germany, but have absolutely no desire to see Paris again.

    Plus people can't drive. I had a cab swing out onto the road and knock my mirror off and kept going. And then another cab went over the line and bumped me at the bridge where Princes Diana died (and kept going).

    I don't think they like me in Paris. :Cry
     
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    The French have a record of "restoring" ancient monuments.
    We went to a Village called Grande, round about 1980. Grande it may have been called but Grande it was not. The main road was not made up and had great potholes in it. They were excavating a Roman Amphitheatre.

    In the 1990's we were in the area again. The roads were better, and they were restoring the momument. We didn't visit it but a Dutch family told us that they were turning an historic monument into a modern monstrocity.

    Some years ago we visited the Chatauu at Poerrefonds, agin they had made an ancient monumentinto a modern monstrocity, When we were there there were a lot of people in strange costumes. When we asked what that was about they said they were filming a TV series called Merlin.
     
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    They confiscated all that property during the French Revolution as I understand it.
     
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    Rich Americans no longer go there. We like nice things. Europe is used to decay. They don't mind men urinating all over in public. London is like Chicago in crime rate.

    Europeans like you who hate Trump probably hate everyday Americans also. Therefore there is no reason for Americans to go to London either.
     
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    That is true. Napoleon, although he didn't return the property, re-established Catholicism as the state religion through his Concordat, and church-state relations ebbed and flowed until 1905, when the Third Republic officially divided church and state and formalized its ownership of all the church property up to that point.

    Anything built since 1905, however, falls outside the 1905 law, having been constructed without any support of the state.
     
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    That shows the depravity of the French Revolution. It is like the communist revolution in Russia.
     
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    /AP

    A criminal terrorist investigation has been opened in Paris following the discovery of a car parked near Notre Dame Cathedral with seven gas canisters and pages written in Arabic inside.
     
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    You mean there is something else or someone else besides the trinitarian God?
     
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