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What if Obama Had Scheduled a 4th of July Celebration with Military Hardware?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by InTheLight, Jul 3, 2019.

  1. InTheLight

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    The left is having kittens because President Trump is planning a Fourth of July celebration that will feature military hardware--Bradley fighting vehicles, B-2 stealth bomber, F-18 and F-35's flyovers, Abram battle tanks, etc. Trump is planning a patriotic speech mentioning the great history of our country, the contributions of veterans, and perhaps a little public relations touting the economy and other achievements he's made in office.

    Big Deal. I don't have a problem with this. It's an unnecessary expense, but a drop in the bucket in the amount of money spent on an hourly basis in this country.

    Now, supposing Obama had done something like this in 2011? (Saying, "Obama never would have done this" is not allowed in my hypothetical.) He has a military parade, gives a patriotic speech and then proceeds to tell us how he got the country back on the right track after the Great Recession. I bet conservatives would have been up in arms about it. What do you think?
     
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    I would have had a problem with it, just as I have a problem with Trump doing it.
     
  3. InTheLight

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    What about it is a problem?

    I understand if it was an ostentatious display of military hardware--columns of tanks rolling down the avenues with waves and waves of troops marching and an ego driven speech full of "I", "me", "my", etc. it would be a problem. But stationing a couple of tanks here and there and having a couple of jets flyover? I don't see it being a problem.
     
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    So, in your OP, you admit it would be a problem, and now you're pretending not to know it would be a problem.

    That is your prerogative.
     
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    No, in my OP I said there would be a few tanks and some flyovers and then I said, "I don't have a problem with this."

    In my follow up post I qualified my OP by saying I would have a problem if it were an elaborate show of military might and the speech was all about the President.

    Why do you see Trump's Fourth of July celebration as being a problem?
     
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    Because Trump would be just as wrong for militaristic imagery and a pro-Trump display as your scumbag, Obama would be for his.
     
  7. InTheLight

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    My scumbag, Obama?

    You think I am an Obama supporter?

    Oh, and WHY would it be wrong? Could you answer please...
     
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    If Obama had done this I would have loved it.
     
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    Again this year, NPR is sponsoring "A Capatiol 4th"

    NPR will be sponsoring - but the military who will be involved will not get any $$ ect.

    So is this celebratin ok?

    has been done for years under different POTUS
     
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    I would have had no problem with such a parade under Obama, but any self aggrandizing words would have been inappropriate. Let us wait and see what President Trump actually says and we can go from there. I bet he keeps things in general terms.
     
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    I know Eisenhower and Kennedy both did it, but there's just something about it that I think sets a bad precedent. It just seems too much like the old "May Day" parades to me.
     
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    Thank you for your honest answer.

    I do think some conservatives on BB would have been against Obama having it, whereas they would be for Trump having it.
     
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    It's standard for the military to provide resources.

    I remember having helicopters at high school games (twice the golden nights dropped in with the game ball). We typically provided vehicles for community celebrations.

    It's a part of public relations (and a part of the military's mission). There are policies in place, and as long as these are not violated I'm good with it.
     
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    Yea, that is your thing isn't it?
     
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    Well, it is fascinating to see people support some of Trump's actions that they roundly criticized when Obama did the same thing.

    The complaints about the amount of time Obama spent golfing and his use of executive orders spring to mind. Trump golfs far more than Obama ever did and I sure he's ahead of Obama in issuing executive orders at the same point in his presidency. Hardly a peep of objections when Trump does it.
     
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    So when did Obama do it? And who on this board criticized it?
     
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    could be Trump gets more done in less time!
     
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    I would have thought he had been replaced with a lookalike alien. ...and that is was an improvement.
     
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    Obama's executive orders had a tendency to be completely unconstitutional, like when he ordered DACA which actually was a change in the immigration laws, something only the Congress has the authority to do.
     
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