Baptist Perpetuity proven from, 'BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY'

[Alan Gross]

BAPTIZED INTO NE BODY
“For by One Spirit are we all (led to be) Baptized into one body (a ‘local” assembly) Now you are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”
[1 Corinthians 12:13, 27.]
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Verse 27 of this quotation tells what kind of body is meant in verse 13: the kind of which the church at Corinth was an example.
1 Corinthians 1:13-17 shows what kind of baptism is meant: namely baptism in water. In fact, there is only one kind of baptism recognized in the New Testament as an ordinance of Christ:

“One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism” Ephesians 4:5 All other so-called baptisms are figurative or symbolic, deriving their significance from this baptizing in water to declare the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and all that this means to us.
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Almost all Christians recognize baptism or some substitute for it that they call baptism, as sprinkling or pouring, as a ‘church’ ordinance (albeit an un-Scriptural ‘Baptism’ in a false ‘church’) .
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But if it is a church ordinance, then there must always have been churches to administer the ordinance.
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If the church to which Jesus Entrusted the church ordinance of Baptism passed out of existence as an institution, then the ordinance lapsed with the church, and nowhere in the Bible is anyone Authorized by God to start up Baptising again.

From my blog on thoughts of Rosco Brong.

8.0.5b TEN SCRIPTURAL PROOFS of ‘The Churches that JESUS BUILT’ AND PROMISED TO BE WITH, “ALWAYS”.

 

[HankD]

What about fire and/or Spirit baptism?

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but there cometh he that is mightier than I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:

 

[Alan Gross]

All other so-called baptisms are figurative or symbolic,

deriving their significance from this baptizing in water

to declare the death, burial and resurrection of Christ

and all that this means to us.

'Fire' is The Eternal Lake of Fire, into which the lost will be 'immersed', at Jesus' Second Coming.

That is speaking to those who would remain lost.

To those who were Saved that John the Baptist was speaking to already were filled with the Holy Spirit.

Notice it is 'Jesus' Who is said to be The One Who Will Do the baptizing.

"The Holy Spirit" is never said to do any baptizing, from the Perspective of God and The Bible ( man's perspective goes somewhere other than God on that).

Everyone know to have been Saved at that time, during the Earthly Ministry of Jesus, followed God's Command to "be baptized", and that is the Entrance into an Organized Fellowship of baptized believers that are agreeing to assemble.

That is a portion of what a New Testament church is.

The reference John the Baptist is making is to those who were or would be Saved and who had, specifically, followed Jesus' Command to be baptized and were in an Organized church entity, in Corporate capacity (in a True gathering that assembles to Worship God and Bring Him Glory, as Designed by Jesus).

Jesus Promised to Send the Disciples, "another Comfort".

Again, those Disciples already had the Holy Spirit in their souls.

What Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit was His church assembly, when the Disciples were together, again, in Corporate capacity on The Day of Pentecost.

Although, everything about the Divine Organization of the Lord's churches He Founded was Completed During His Earthly Ministry and He even had a 'Treasurer' and is said in Hebrews that He Sang Praises in the Mist of His church, etc., besides their Conception in Eternity Past, The Lord's churches have their 'beginning', in Prophecy.

Just as 'signs and miricles' were Given to the 12 and the 70 to Confirm and Witness to the Supernatural Origin of Jesus' Ministry, the Lord Sent 'Another Comfortor', to Publically Announce and Verify those of His Disciples and other church members, there, on The Day of Pentecost, by baptizing His church Organization with The Shakina Glory of God.

The apostate Jewish people had been Judged and Abandoned by God, as His Witness, and The Oracles of God,and The Manifold Wisedom, and Whole Counsel of God was Committed to the The Lord's churches, as we heard Jesus Say, "lo, I Turn to the Gentiles*, in the form of Jesus' churches, along with the Ordances of Baptism, the Lord's Supper, and The Great Commission, etc.

The Indwelling of the baptism of the Holy Spirit Jesus Performed, when He Sent His church He had Founded "Another Comfortor" on The Day of Pentecost, was the Fulfillment of Daniel 9, "to Annoint The Most Holy".

Now, if God Leds, there are plenty of things God Teaches in The Bible and this handful of Precious Jewels and Gems should, hopefully 'seem' to fit like a hand in a glove to The Bible Scriptures, even though it is a lot to absorb and may be new to some to hear.

"Let any man who has an ear, hear what The Spirit of God Says to His churches".

The 'baptism' by Fire and The Holy Ghost are figurative or symbolic,

deriving their significance from this ONE KIND OF BIBLICALLY DEFINED baptizing in WATER, KNOWN AS "SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM",

to declare the death, burial and resurrection of Christ

and all that this means to us.

The baptism by Fire will be Eternal and The Indwelling and Supernatural Attendance to the members, Pasters, Teaching Ministry, and Accomplishments of The Lord's churches is an Activity of The Shikina Glory of God Indwelling Jesus' kind of churches.


Unless, in specific cases in particular churches of The Lord, The Glory of God has Departed.

When, Jesus has Come and Removed the Candlestick.


But other than that, just as God has Preserved the Inspiration and Canon of His Holy Bible for us, the Holy Spirit has Preserved the Divine Institution of Jesus' churches, as Jesus Promised would Happen, through History, until He Comes again, by Jesus 'baptising' her with The Holy Spirit.

 

[HankD]

Thanks Alan.

 

[Alan Gross]

Praise Jesus.

Every Preacher needs to be able to give a reason to explain how Jesus is said that "He shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire", in Luke 3:16,

when Ephesians 4:4,5 says, "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, "

by explaining:

Baptised by Fire is Hell, figuratively expressed,

Baptised by The Spirit is Done by Jesus Only and to His Organized Assembly of Believers, who were initially Baptised by John the Baptist who was a man Sent from God to baptize and that his baptism Held The Authority of God, According to Jesus,

and that those Disciples Had Been Promised Another Comforter.

The Promise of Jesus and The Prophecy of Daniel 9, that He Would, " Anoint The Most Holy were both Full filled on The Day of Pentecost, when God Inaugurated the church assembly in Corporate capacity, there in Jerusalem, as an Organism AND an Organization, DIVINELY INSTITUTED.

To say that the 'church couldn't exist without The Holy Spirit Coming on The Day of Pentecost" doesn't say much for Jesus, from the standpoint of WORSHIP, does it?

You are probably quite familiar, as many would be, that on The Day of Pentecost, "3,000 souls were added to them".

Who?

The church that Jesus Built, out of the Baptised 'material' John the Baptist had prepared, who were not only present, personally, on The Day of Pentecost, but AS A CHURCH ENTITY, of "a Kind" that was Promised a Continued Existence.

When Jesus Commission His 'Kind of Divine church Entity Organization', He Said, "and I Will Be with you, even to The End of The Age".............. (????)

The common assumption might guess that 'Jesus just meant anybody and everybody, since those Disciples weren' t going to live to The End of The Age', however, there have been bodies of believers all through History that have Gone into all the World AND Preached the Plain Old Story that individuals ARE SINNERS IN NEED OF A SAVIOR AND MUST REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL... To make them deciples and followers of Jesus.. AND... Taught them all things Jesus had Taught them, regarding, Believer's Baptism, The Lord's Supper, church Truth with Jesus as The Head of The Candlestick, Holding The Angels of His churches in His Hand, The Presthood of the Believer, and Eternal Security.

As He Said there would be.

The 'church' assembled that day, also, in Corporate capacity was what Jesus Commissioned.

His church, as His Creation, of which He is The Head, just like He was of each of the seven church assemblies OF HIS, in The Book of Revelation.

That is what makes the Bible the MOST FUN, is piecing together all the wonderful Jewels and Gems, where God Shows us what He Wants us to Understand, FOR SURE.

His Spirit Bares Witness with His Word.

 

[HankD]

Praise Jesus.

Every Preacher needs to be able to give a reason to explain how Jesus is said that "He shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire", in Luke 3:16,

when Ephesians 4:4,5 says, "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, "

by explaining:

Baptised by Fire is Hell, figuratively expressed,

perhaps the fire speaks of our purification, sanctification.

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

 

[Alan Gross]

I just took it from verses 7, 8, & 9, as what John the Baptist was talking to the lost about, in his warning to them, in context; Luke 3:9 "And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

It's a difference of Interpretation vs. Application, I think, Hank.

Great stuff!

 

[HankD]

I just took it from verses 7, 8, & 9, as what John the Baptist was talking to the lost about, in his warning to them, in context; Luke 3:9 "And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

It's a difference of Interpretation vs. Application, I think, Hank.

Great stuff!

right, still i wonder if he is talking to the lost.

1 Corinthians 3
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[Alan Gross]

That's what I mean, Hank, by Interpretation vs. Application.

Certainly, the Interpretation of the immediate context of I Corinthians 3 you posted is spoken concerning Saved souls, as it says in verse 15.

I see, again, the Interpretation in Luke 3, in the immediate context, before and after 3:16, regarding what is indicated by "baptize with The Holy Ghost and fire".

In 7, 8, & 9 we see "7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8" Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

Then, in 10 - 14," people", "publicans", and "soldiers" seem to be being spoken to as lost.

Then, immediately after "fire" is mentioned in 3:16, we see the immediate context of what is said in verse 17 about "fire" :

16 "John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

17 "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable."

I don't believe an Interpretation is found between the two Scriptures, regarding the word, "fire", and there may not be any Application between the two, either.

Since one Speaks of Saved and the other the lost.

 

[HankD]

That's what I mean, Hank, by Interpretation vs. Application.

Certainly, the Interpretation of the immediate context of I Corinthians 3 you posted is spoken concerning Saved souls, as it says in verse 15.

I see, again, the Interpretation in Luke 3, in the immediate context, before and after 3:16, regarding what is indicated by "baptize with The Holy Ghost and fire".

In 7, 8, & 9 we see "7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8" Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

Then, in 10 - 14," people", "publicans", and "soldiers" seem to be being spoken to as lost.

Then, immediately after "fire" is mentioned in 3:16, we see the immediate context of what is said in verse 17 about "fire" :

16 "John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

17 "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable."

I don't believe an Interpretation is found between to two Scriptures, regarding the word, "fire", and there may not be any Application between the two, either.

Since one Speaks of Saved and the other the lost.

maybe, maybe not.

 

[Alan Gross]

Luke 3:9b " every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

3:16c: "he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:"

3:17c: "but the chaff he will burn with fire
unquenchable."

Yeah, I can't jump over to I Corinthians with Jesus baptizing the Saved's works, when the immersion of being cast into fire unquenchable is a symbolic baptism and brought out in connecting verses.

That's me. Looks like context.

I think it is harmonious with:

3:17a" Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor"

3:16c: "he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:"

3:17b: (He) "... will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable."