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Layman's Confession of Faith

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jul 19, 2019.

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  1. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

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    I tend to read more of what @agedman writes because he is "aged...";)

    He does not deny the truth of scripture, MB.
    Daniel 4:35, among many others.
    That is a Biblical "idea", and one with much support.
    God is all powerful, which means He is not limited to what men think He should do..."offer" salvation to everyone.
    Psalms 5:5, Psalms 11:5.
    That makes God the ruler, doesn't it?
    God rules, and He only lets Satan go as far as the "leash" lets him go.

    For example, Lucifer couldn't even touch Job without permission ( Job 1:6-12, Job 2:1-6 ), and he couldn't sift Peter as wheat, without the Lord allowing him to.
     
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    This thread needs to be put back on track. All the posts by one Calvinist after another deny one scripture after another. Lets return to what scripture actually says:
    Of God and the Holy Trinity – One God in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

    Of God's Decree- God before creation chose to bring about creation for the purpose of creating mankind for His glory, Isaiah 43:7

    Of Creation –In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, Genesis 1:1

    Of Divine Providence – God made everything and sustains everything and brings about the conditions useful for His purpose of creation, including altering the course of human events by intervention, Colossians 1:17; Deuteronomy 30:19.

    Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the punishment thereof – Adam volitionally sinned, knowing God said not to eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil. This resulted in Adam being separated from God, i.e. kicked out of the garden, and his corruption, i.e. his eyes were opened. Genesis 3:7; 17-24

    Of God's Covenant – God’s eternal covenant was to provide eternal life for those of His choosing, based on crediting their faith as righteousness, keeping His covenant of love. James 2:5

    Of Christ the Mediator – Jesus is our mediator, our high priest who sacrificed Himself, becoming the propitiation for the whole world, interceding for those given to Him, taking whatever was against us out of the way. Hebrews 9:11-15

    Of Free Will – We make plans but God directs our steps, thus God allows us autonomous thoughts and actions, but only so far as He allows. He can and does intervene and restrict our options, such as hardening hearts to cause some to continue to reject Christ for a time. Proverbs 16:9, Romans 11:7

    Of Effectual Calling – I deny the doctrine of Irresistible Grace, men of flesh, unless hardened, can hear and understand and respond to the milk of the gospel, 1 Corinthians 2:14 – 3:3.

    Of Justification – refers to being made “right” with God, thus our “sin burden” is removed. This occurs when we are spiritually placed in Christ, and undergo the circumcision of Christ, Romans 5:18, Colossians 2:11.

    Of Adoption – Our adoption refers to being made physical children of God when we are bodily resurrected at Christ’s second coming, Romans 8:23.

    Of Sanctification – Salvation is presented in scripture as having three phrases, Positional Sanctification referring to when we are set apart in Christ 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Progressive Sanctification, referring to our life after being put in Christ where we strive to become more Christ like, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, and Ultimate Sanctification, our Adoption at His second coming, 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

    Of Saving Faith - Faith God credits as righteousness, being from the heart, fully committed and devoted to Christ, having more to do with our love of Christ than believing the right doctrines, Romans 4:4-5; 24.

    Of Repentance unto Life and Salvation – God grants repentance via His revelatory grace, i.e. providing us with an understanding of God’s perfection and our sins and their consequences. When we repent we give glory to God. 2 Timothy 2:24-26; Revelation 16:9.

    Of Good Works – Before salvation, all our “good works” are as filthy rags to God, but upon being born anew, created for good works, we can earn eternal rewards if we build upon the foundation of Christ according to His will, Isaiah 64:6; Ephesians 2:10.

    Of the Perseverance of the Saints – Once born anew, we cannot undo. 1 Peter 1:3-5.

    Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation – If we have been born anew, our life changes, and we exhibit the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Thus, when we meet for communion, we are to examine ourselves to see if we are of the faith, and if our heart does not convict us, we are to take the bread and the wine in remembrance of our Savior, 2 Corinthians 13:5-6.

    Of the Law of God – Under the Old Covenant, under the Law of Moses, the Law acted as a tutor, leading us to a knowledge of our sins and our need of a Savior, Galatians 3:24. Once born again, under the Law of Christ (also Called the Law of Liberty) we are to strive to follow Christ, and keep His commandments, 1 Corinthians 9:21. Primarily, we are to love God with all our heart, mind and soul, and love our neighbors as ourselves, Matthew 22:36-40.

    Of the Gospel and the Extent of Grace thereof – The only unpardonable sin is to reject Christ. Other than that, God will forgive your sins and remember them no more forever. Ephesians 1:7

    Of Christian Liberty and Liberty of Conscience – As ambassadors of Christ we are to be His witness to the world, thus being careful to not be a stumbling block to others. Romans 14:20-23

    Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day – The Law of Moses has gone away, and with it the requirement to keep the Sabbath, but we are to set apart a time for worship and reflection, and study and meditation, and Sundays are used by many Christians. 2 Corinthians 3:2-11

    Of Lawful Oaths and Vows – We are not to swear by God or anything else. Matthew 5:34

    Of the Civil Magistrate – God has established governance, and so we are to submit provided that in doing so would not result in violating a clear command of God. In the military the concept is known as following “lawful” orders. No massacring women and children because the officer said so. Romans 13:1-2

    Of Marriage - Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, both committed to Christ.

    Of the Church – Church refers to either the local temporal assembly of professing believers, made up of both wheat and tares, or to the general assembly, the bride and body of Christ, made up of all who have been made perfect by being born anew.

    Of the Communion of Saints – When we, believers, gather together we are to remember our indebtedness to Christ who gave his body, broken for us, and his blood, shed for us, and to examine ourselves to see if we are of the faith.

    Of Baptism – Christ using the agency of the Holy Spirit, baptizes us to the body of Christ spiritually, and then seals us in Christ with the Holy Spirit. Christ commanded we illustrate this spiritual baptism, and make a public declaration of our faith in Christ, thus we are to be water baptized and water baptize all who profess faith in Christ .

    Of the State of Man after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead – When we physically die, our spirit/soul departs and goes either to heaven to be present with the Lord, or to Hades to suffer torment and await the resurrection of the dead. At the great white throne judgment, all the spirits in Hades will be reunited with physical bodies and be gathered for judgment. Their names, not being found in the Lamb’s book of life, they are put into the Lake of Fire where they suffer and die the second death.

    Of the Last Judgment – Those of us whose spirits go to be with the Lord, are also united with our glorified physical bodies at Christ’s second coming, and we are judged, with Christ awarding rewards for faithful service if we have built upon the foundation of Christ with material of eternal value, i.e. helped save lives.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Your herecies already have been being put back on track, by Bible Believers.

    The last post was, God-Given "Faith in God's Ability".

    Your 'faith' is your 'faith' in your 'ability' that your 'faith' has to have 'faith' and God excluded and eliminated that 'faith' as 'boasting'.

    There is an Infinite difference.

    The difference is between 3 dollar bill man-made twaddelism and The Eternal Revelation of God to Mankind in His Words.

    I am a I Corinthians 2:14 Bible Believer.

    The natural man looks at the first 10 words of I Corinthians 2:14 and sees the word, "Calvinist".

    Do you see the word, "Calvanist", in; "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God..."?
     
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    Your entire view is so distorted and not true.
    MB
     
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    God chooses from Eternity past to elect one unto eternal life in Jesus, so can that person refuse the gift of God? Could Paul have told Jesus, "Thanks, but no thsn
     
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    Who as the final say in this issue, God or man? If God decided to have us receive Jesus as Lord, can we say to Him "thanks but no thanks?"
     
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    Are you agreeing with the OP? If not reference the doctrine you find objectionable, and then restate it according to referenced scripture.
     
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    Why ask the question. God sets before us the choice of life or death and encourages us to choose life. That is our ministry as ambassadors of Christ.
     
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    Can the lost undo the eternal election of God then?
     
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    What is the ultimate basis for salvation, the Will of God or our human one?
     
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    2 Peter 2:9-10 teaches no individual was chosen, because we all lived not as a people.

    Your view is based on shoddy bible study.
     
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    Yet another post demonstrating a lack of understanding of the view he is opposing. What a waste.

    Who decides to put an individual into Christ. The individual or God?
     
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    Well you certainly do not speak as if it's not your concern. You always bring it up. Which implies you know. Why bring it up if you don't know or care. You see I care about what God wants from me

    This is not true and you know it. God is not Sovereign He is All mighty,omnipotent, omnipresent No where in scripture is He ever described as Sovereign. Though all you Calvinist use this term as if it's in scripture and it isn't This is what Calvinist do they try to insert there own beliefs in to the Bible in an attempt to make us seem as if we do not believe because we do not believe as they do. This is as false as your doctrine is.
    Of course this includes all the sin in the world. If God is in complete control tell me why there is so much hatred in the world. Oh I forgot it's all God's fault because He designed it that way. This would make God completely corrupt. Tha'ts your sick view. You have to be able to blame God, It's all His fault according to you. Shame on you agedman.
    My support is that what you claim here is as false as it gets.It's your adding to scripture to support a view that isn't in scripture.
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    Not true it never had any weight it a doctrine for the foolish notion that makes you think you are so special
    I don't have to tell you about your hypocrisy because it shows through.
    Show me scripture that clearly shows Christ as the Gate keeper to Salvation. If you can't then it does not exist.
    Pure Catholicism a false doctrine
    More insults and ridicule. Keep it up your sounding more and more like the Pharisee you are trying to be
    This entire post is just plain disgusting. I'll pray for you you really need it. I will not answer anymore of your deceptions
    MB[/QUOTE]
     
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    Yes he could have
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    God elects us into Christ, we do not elect ourselves!
     
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    So your understanding of God is that He can frustrated by human will power ?
     
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    Nothing in there about election!
     
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    Why do you assume God's will is frustrated when free will is God's will. He invites us to come to Him He does not ever force men to do accept Him which is the false opinion of you and Calvinism. You are deceived
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    Then why did you ask the question? What a waste.
     
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