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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. Van

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    Of God and the Holy Trinity – One God in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

    Of God's Decree- God before creation chose to bring about creation for the purpose of creating mankind for His glory, Isaiah 43:7

    Of Creation –In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, Genesis 1:1

    Of Divine Providence – God made everything and sustains everything and brings about the conditions useful for His purpose of creation, including altering the course of human events by intervention, Colossians 1:17; Deuteronomy 30:19.

    Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the punishment thereof – Adam volitionally sinned, knowing God said not to eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil. This resulted in Adam being separated from God, i.e. kicked out of the garden, and his corruption, i.e. his eyes were opened. Genesis 3:7; 17-24

    Of God's Covenant – God’s eternal covenant was to provide eternal life for those of His choosing, based on crediting their faith as righteousness, keeping His covenant of love. James 2:5

    Of Christ the Mediator – Jesus is our mediator, our high priest who sacrificed Himself, becoming the propitiation for the whole world, interceding for those given to Him, taking whatever was against us out of the way. Hebrews 9:11-15

    Of Free Will – We make plans but God directs our steps, thus God allows us autonomous thoughts and actions, but only so far as He allows. He can and does intervene and restrict our options, such as hardening hearts to cause some to continue to reject Christ for a time. Proverbs 16:9, Romans 11:7

    Of Effectual Calling – I deny the doctrine of Irresistible Grace, men of flesh, unless hardened, can hear and understand and respond to the milk of the gospel, 1 Corinthians 2:14 – 3:3.

    Of Justification – refers to being made “right” with God, thus our “sin burden” is removed. This occurs when we are spiritually placed in Christ, and undergo the circumcision of Christ, Romans 5:18, Colossians 2:11.

    Of Adoption – Our adoption refers to being made physical children of God when we bodily resurrected at Christ’s second coming, Romans 8:23.

    Of Sanctification – Salvation is presented in scripture as having three phrases, Positional Sanctification referring to when we are set apart in Christ 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Progressive Sanctification, referring to our life after being put in Christ where we strive to become more Christ like, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, and Ultimate Sanctification, our Adoption at His second coming, 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

    Of Saving Faith - Faith God credits as righteousness, being from the heart, fully committed and devoted to Christ, having more to do with our love of Christ than believing the right doctrines, Romans 4:4-5; 24.

    Of Repentance unto Life and Salvation – God grants repentance via His revelatory grace, i.e. providing us with an understanding of God’s perfection and our sins and their consequences. When we repent we give glory to God. 2 Timothy 2:24-26; Revelation 16:9.

    Of Good Works – Before salvation, all our “good works” are as filthy rags to God, but upon being born anew, created for good works, we can earn eternal rewards if we build upon the foundation of Christ according to His will, Isaiah 64:6; Ephesians 2:10.

    Of the Perseverance of the Saints – Once born anew, we cannot undo. 1 Peter 1:3-5.

    Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation – If we have been born anew, our life changes, and we exhibit the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Thus, when we meet for communion, we are to examine ourselves to see if we are of the faith, and if our heart does not convict us, we are to take the bread and the wine in remembrance of our Savior, 2 Corinthians 13:5-6.

    Of the Law of God – Under the Old Covenant, under the Law of Moses, the Law acted as a tutor, leading us to a knowledge of our sins and our need of a Savior, Galatians 3:24. Once born again, under the Law of Christ (also Called the Law of Liberty) we are to strive to follow Christ, and keep His commandments, 1 Corinthians 9:21. Primarily, we are to love God with all our heart, mind and soul, and love our neighbors as ourselves, Matthew 22:36-40.

    Of the Gospel and the Extent of Grace thereof – The only unpardonable sin is to reject Christ. Other than that, God will forgive your sins and remember them no more forever. Ephesians 1:7

    Of Christian Liberty and Liberty of Conscience – As ambassadors of Christ we are to be His witness to the world, thus being careful to not be a stumbling block to others. Romans 14:20-23

    Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day – The Law of Moses has gone away, and with it the requirement to keep the Sabbath, but we are to set apart a time for worship and reflection, and study and meditation, and Sundays are used by many Christians. 2 Corinthians 3:2-11

    Of Lawful Oaths and Vows – We are not to swear by God or anything else. Matthew 5:34

    Of the Civil Magistrate – God has established governance, and so we are to submit provided that in doing so would not result in violating a clear command of God. In the military the concept is known as following “lawful” orders. No massacring women and children because the officer said so. Romans 13:1-2

    Of Marriage - Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, both committed to Christ.

    Of the Church – Church refers to either the local temporal assembly of professing believers, made up of both wheat and tares, or to the general assembly, the bride and body of Christ, made up of all who have been born again.

    Of the Communion of Saints – When we, believers, gather together we are to remember our indebtedness to Christ who gave his body, broken for us, and his blood, shed for us, and to examine ourselves to see if we are of the faith.

    Of Baptism – Christ using the agency of the Holy Spirit, baptizes us to the body of Christ spiritually, and then seals us in Christ with the Holy Spirit. Christ commanded we illustrate this spiritual baptism, and make a public declaration of our faith in Christ, thus we are to be water baptized and water baptize all who profess faith in Christ .

    Of the State of Man after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead – When we physically die, our spirit/soul departs and goes either to heaven to be present with the Lord, or to Hades to suffer torment and await the resurrection of the dead. At the great white throne judgment, all the spirits in Hades will be reunited with physical bodies and be gathered for judgment. There names, not being found in the Lamb’s book of life, they are put into the Lake of Fire where they suffer and die the second death.

    Of the Last Judgment – Those of us whose spirits go to be with the Lord, are also united with our glorified physical bodies at Christ’s second coming, and we are judged, with Christ awarding rewards for faithful service if we have built upon the foundation of Christ with material of eternal value, i.e. helped save lives.
     
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    Souls credited by God based on their ability suffer the Eternal suffering and torment of the Fires of Hell, for their inherent and exclusive capibility of sinning against The Trice Holy Godhead.

    The spiritual and Biblical state of these souls is "well".

    These "well need not a physician" and have no testimony of "Jesus is The Savior".

    There testimony is " I'm going to Heaven, God, and I don't care if think you run Heaven or not, so you better have put into place a plan and story of You Son or something, if you think I need something that sounds religious. Got that? More over, I coming in."

    "they shall call His Name, Jesus, for He Shall Save His people from their sins" Matthew 1: 21.

    Misinterpreting all of The Bible begins with being "well".

    "I got this" Will Not Stand at The Judgement.

    This Laymen needs to listen to someone who knows how God Saves souls and why souls need Salvation.
     
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    Yours, of from another source?
     
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    My memory fails me as to the source of the issues addressed, but the positions are mine, so it reflects my faith, or understanding of scriptural doctrine.
     
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    Me thinks thou protest too much! Please address a position I presented, and not a strawman calculated to confuse.
     
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    Thanks. I was just wondering who wrote it, and thought maybe you did.
     
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    *credits"
     
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    Of Saving Faith - Faith God credits as righteousness, being from the heart, fully committed and devoted to Christ, having more to do with our love of Christ than believing the right doctrines, Romans 4:4-5; 24.

    Your strawman distortion= Souls credited by God based on their ability
     
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    "believes" is what the verse you quoted says.

    Neither your reply, nor your Manifesto on 'faith', 'repentence", or "good works" have any reference to The Gospel.

    Why not?

    Do you ever ask God to Forgive to of your sins?

    If so, why would He?

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    Of Saving Faith - Faith God credits as righteousness, being from the heart, fully committed and devoted to Christ, having more to do with our love of Christ than believing the right doctrines, Romans 4:4-5; 24.

    Of Repentance unto Life and Salvation – God grants repentance via His revelatory grace, i.e. providing us with an understanding of God’s perfection and our sins and their consequences. When we repent we give glory to God. 2 Timothy 2:24-26; Revelation 16:9.

    Of Good Works – Before salvation, all our “good works” are as filthy rags to God, but upon being born anew, created for good works, we can earn eternal rewards if we build upon the foundation of Christ according to His will, Isaiah 64:6; Ephesians 2:10.
     
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    Roman's 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

    In the verse you quoted, the 'faith' possessed by a soul:

    In the verse you quoted, is the result:

    In the verse you quoted, of believing, first,

    Stated, "believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly," in the verse you quoted.

    The Justification Comes from verse 24 that you also quoted.

    The Particular Redemption which Brought about The EFFECTUAL CALLING and IRRESISTABLE GRACE Was Answered by The Holy Spirit Granting the ungodly Repentance for their sins, as Placed on Jesus.

    Belief Could only be Given to the ungodly after the Conviction of their sin and an Understanding Given to them THAT GOD THE FATHER ACCEPTED JESUS' PAYMENT FOR THEM TO JUSTIFY THEIR SOUL.

    How could they KNOW and Understand that God ACCEPTED JESUS' PAYMENT FOR THEM.

    Verse 24, God Raised Him from the Dead.

    Jesus' Righteousness of Having Lived a Perfect Life, under God's Universal Moral Law and all Ceremonial Law was SINLESS, but was Brought to Death on the Cross by the sins of His people (Matthew 1:21).

    That Perfect, Sinless, Righteousness was Credited to the sinner, WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT QUICKENED THEIR DEAD SPIRIT TO NEW LIFE IN THE NEW BIRTH, and Giving their soul The Enabling Spirit of God TO RELATE TO GOD WHO IS SPIRIT, FOR THE FIRST TIME.

    God Imputed Jesus Righteousness to them as the Benefit of GOD'S ETERNAL PLAN OF SALVATION FOR LOST SOULS OF MANKIND.



    The Enabling Ability of the Spiritually Separated soul from God, as a ungodly dead, sinner to believed Jesus Paid his sin debt is The New Birth.

    In The New Birth, belief TO REPENT OF SIN TOWARD GOD and FAITH TOWARD JESUS WHO'S PAYMENT JUSTIFIES THE LOST SOUL IS GIVEN.

    The sinner didn't possess 'faith', prior to Being EFFECTIVELY CALLED by IRRESISTABLE GRACE, with LOVING KINDNESS HAVE I DRAWN THEE, I HAVE LOVED YOU WITH AN EVERLASTING LOVE.

    YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, TO BE GIVEN FAITH, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, AS THE ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGN ETERNAL PLAN, ACTIVITY, AND ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE THRICE-HOLY GODHEAD.

    THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO NOT ONE.

    In the verses you qouted:

    "Un"....... "godly".

    Why was the ungodly "credited"?

    "faith".

    Where did that "faith" Originate?

    The Activity of God, from Eternity Past.

    Under the Planned day that Created sinner on Earth was Placed Under the Preaching of the Gospel Message in God's Eternal Word, Jesus Said, "Let there Be Light", and the blind could see and their heart that was deceitful and desperately wicked WAS OPENED BY THE IRRESISTABLE GIVING GRACE OF GOD ALMIGHTY.
     
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    Pay no attention to non-stop verbiage posts
    Of Free Will – We make plans but God directs our steps, thus God allows us autonomous thoughts and actions, but only so far as He allows. He can and does intervene and restrict our options, such as hardening hearts to cause some to continue to reject Christ for a time. Proverbs 16:9, Romans 11:7

    Of Saving Faith - Faith God credits as righteousness, being from the heart, fully committed and devoted to Christ, having more to do with our love of Christ than believing the right doctrines, Romans 4:4-5; 24.

    Of Justification – refers to being made “right” with God, thus our “sin burden” is removed. This occurs when we are spiritually placed in Christ, and undergo the circumcision of Christ, Romans 5:18, Colossians 2:11.
     
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    When you say, "pay no attention", or "non-stop", or "verbiage"(?) is it from the heart, too?

    Like the 'Saving Faith' you mentioned.

    The heart of Mankind is deceitful and wicked, off jump street.

    Jeremiah 17:9-10
    King James Version (KJV)

    "9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    " 10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."
     
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    God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness. Some deny this truth.

    Of Sanctification – Salvation is presented in scripture as having three phrases, Positional Sanctification referring to when we are set apart in Christ on the basis of God crediting our faith as righteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Progressive Sanctification, referring to our life after being put in Christ where we strive to become more Christ like, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, and Ultimate Sanctification, our Adoption at His second coming, 1 Thessalonians 5:23.
     
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    You might not believe this, Van, but the person, who's faith' you are depending on, to build another gospel, was dead

    (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were…"

    Abraham was dead.

    Abraham had No Ability to 'believe the Gospel' of The Power of God Has of Life Over DEATH, until God QUICKENED Abram.

    Then, Abram BELIEVED THE GOSPEL.

    THE DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION OF THE LAMB.

    GOD PROVIDED THE DEAD MAN QUICKENING ETERNAL LIFE AND POWER OVER HIS DEAD NATURAL STATE, AS A HATER OF GOD, IN THE FINITE Flesh, to Believe and Have Faith in The Blood Sacrifice of Jesus.

    You Must Be Born Again.

    When Abraham took Isaac to Offer him, as God Had Commanded.

    Abraham believed that if he killed Issac, God Was Able to Raise Issac from the dead.

    "Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure." Hebrews 11:19.


    Matthew 12:36
    But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

    Matthew 9:28
    And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.

    Romans 4:17-21
    (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were…
     
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    Romans 4:17-21
    (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were…

    Ephesians 2:1
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    2 :1; "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins"
     
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    Two more bogus verbiage dumps, still denying the obvious. Calvinism claims if a spiritually is spiritually dead in his or her sins, they are unable to seek God or trust in God. However, Abraham among many others, proves that assertion is a bogus as a three dollar bill.

    No one was regenerated, born anew, before Christ died. This is demonstrated by the fact we all "follow" Christ in the regeneration.
    Mat 19:28
    And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Where are we made alive? Together with Christ, Ephesians 2:5
     
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    Oh, I've got some 'stuff', for 'ya.

    Maybe, not you, Van.

    I told you, you might not believe this.

    Sounds like you 'know of' some 'Calvanist' teaching, just don't realize that it is God's.

    I'll post some Scriptures Showing Salvation in The Old Testament, for whom it may benefit their Ministry.
     
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    No need to repost large amounts of verbiage.

    Of God's Covenant – God’s eternal covenant was to provide eternal life for those of His choosing, based on crediting their faith as righteousness, keeping His covenant of love. James 2:5

    Of Repentance unto Life and Salvation – God grants repentance via His revelatory grace, i.e. providing us with an understanding of God’s perfection and our sins and their consequences. When we repent we give glory to God. 2 Timothy 2:24-26; Revelation 16:9.
     
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    There are several things that are similar, between The First, Old Testament Administration and The Second, New Testament Administration, by The Triune Godhead, of Their ONE Eternal Covenant of Grace, to God's Chosen Elect.

    Things that are similar and contained within both The First, Old Testament Administration and The Second, New Testament Administration, of The Godhead's ONE Eternal Covenant of Grace, to God's Chosen Elect, are;

    "1.) The blessings of The Godhead's ONE Eternal Covenant of Grace, to God's Chosen Elect, are the same under both Administrations.

    "2.) Salvation and Redemption by Christ is the Great Blessing held forth and enjoyed under the one as under the other, 2 Samuel 23:5; Hebrews 9:15.

    "3.) Justification by the Righteousness of Christ, which the Faithful Old Testament church, who assembled by God's Designs had knowledge of, and had Faith in, as well as the New, Isaiah 45:24,25 Romans 3:21-23.

    "4.) Forgiveness of sin through Faith in Christ, all the Prophets bore witness to; and the saints of Old, as now, had as comfortable an application of it, Psalm 32:1,5 Isaiah 43:25 Micah 7:18 Acts 10:43.

    "5.) Regeneration, Spiritual Circumcision, and Sanctification, were what men were Made Partakers of under the First, as under the Second Administration of the Covenant, Deut. 30:6 Philipians 3:3.

    6.) Eternal Life was Made Known in the writings of the Old Testament, as well as in those of the New; and was believed, looked for, and expected by the saints of the former, as of the latter Testament, John 5:39 Hebrews 11:10,16 Job 19:26,27.

    In a word, they and we eat the same Spiritual Meat, and Drink the same Spiritual Drink, for they Drank of that Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ, # 1 Corinthians 10:3,4."

    Saved children of God may find a Blessing here, in the similarities between The First, Old Testament Administration and The Second, New Testament Administration, by The Triune Godhead, of Their ONE Eternal Covenant of Grace, to God's Chosen Elect that The Eternal God of The Universe Agreed Among Themselves to Promise and Accomplish.

    And THEY Will.

    John 18:9 "That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.".



    From: His By Grace--"John Gill: A Body of Doctrinal & Practical Divinity"-Doctrinal Book 4, Chapter 1
     
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    Yet another copy and paste pile of verbiage, containing bogus assertion after bogus assertion.

    1) No OT Saint was made perfect before Christ died, they had to wait in Abraham's bosom.

    2) No one was regenerated (made alive together with Christ) until after Christ died.
     
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