Albert Mohler to be Nominated For SBC President

[JonC]

I think the SBC churches can keep the Convention in check (either by their voice or by their feet). While I like Mohler the SBC may do better selecting a less diversive a candidate.

The reason, @davidtaylorjr , that this goes back to Calvinism is the SBC has seen divisiveness centered around the philosophy. It was not long ago David Platt disavowed being a Calvinist in being considered to lead the IMB.

Think about that. David Platt was known to have a heart for missions and to be a gifted leader but some were hesitant because they thought he affirmed Calvinism.

On one hand you have some people discriminating against others for being Calvinists and on the other you have some Calvinists earning the reputation of damaging churches.

 

[Reformed1689]

I'm not sure about the optics of having the President of one of the SBC Seminaries as the SBC President, but I have confidence that Dr. Mohler would do a fine job.

He wouldn't be the first one.

 

[StefanM]

He wouldn't be the first one.

That's a fair point.

 

[church mouse guy]

I agree with your point on Dr. Mohler's vocal support of Calvinism. I generally agree with Dr. Mohler, but he's definitely going to carry the "Calvinist" label because of his public stances. Also, in his reforming of the SBTS faculty, he has required adherence not only to the BF&M, to be sure, but also to the Abstract of Principles, the theological standard for the seminary that predated the BF&M. That standard is a pretty Calvinistic standard. He's not to blame for doing so. The seminary has always required adherence to the Abstract of Principles, but it was not enforced for a very long time. Dr. Mohler changed that.

Good answer but why would Mohler be a good prez? Isn't he like Moore? Will he shut down Lifeway or spend money on it without purging its stock? What will he do about ERLC? Is he a SJW in private? Why did he stay silent on Greear?

 

[Reynolds]

Good answer but why would Mohler be a good prez? Isn't he like Moore? Will he shut down Lifeway or spend money on it without purging its stock? What will he do about ERLC? Is he a SJW in private? Why did he stay silent on Greear?

He is friends with Greear.

 

[StefanM]

Good answer but why would Mohler be a good prez? Isn't he like Moore? Will he shut down Lifeway or spend money on it without purging its stock? What will he do about ERLC? Is he a SJW in private? Why did he stay silent on Greear?

I don't have a problem with Russell Moore, generally, so we aren't approaching this from the same angle.

I think of things in terms of what Mohler did at SBTS. He was in his early 30s when he assumed the presidency at SBTS, and he successfully led nothing short of a radical transformation in reversing the theological drift that had taken place over the last several decades. In that time SBTS has become a premier institution for theologically conservative scholarship.

Mohler has consistently remained a calm, erudite voice over the years. People may charge him with being (relatively) liberal in his earliest years, but people do change. And with Mohler, that change has lasted, by any fair evaluation.

Most importantly, I think, is that Mohler is a very intelligent man, and he consistently emphasizes the importance of a Christian worldview. When he speaks about culture (which he does regularly), he does so with fairness but with critical evaluation. He doesn't attack strawmen.

He's also not going to fall into a trap of shooting his mouth off, and he can avoid a lot of the "aww shucks" tone that we seem to have at the moment. And he's also not the type who would obfuscate about his theological belief.

He's a Calvinist, but he wouldn't pretend to be otherwise. Some honesty in that department would be a refreshing change.

 

[church mouse guy]

He is friends with Greear.

With no program to address the problems, it has to be just about power and money.

 

[Reformed1689]

With no program to address the problems, it has to be just about power and money.

How do you know he doesn't have ideas to address problems? Now you are just saying stuff to say stuff and making a ton of assumptions. You know what they say about assuming...

 

[Revmitchell]

You know what they say about assuming...

Uh that it makes you look really smart because you figured it out before everyone else?

 

[church mouse guy]

How do you know he doesn't have ideas to address problems? Now you are just saying stuff to say stuff and making a ton of assumptions. You know what they say about assuming...

I don't know where he stands on those issues and I would like to hear what he says. Is it wrong to ask questions? From what his supporters have said about Moore it looks as if Mohler would continue the SBC political lobby that is called the ERLC. I think that the SBC should shut the ERLC down but I concede all denominations have political lobbies. I don't think Mohler will win, but then I believe Epstein didn't kill himself.

 

[Jerome]

in secret meeting with Founders faction of Southern Baptists, Mohler offered up alibi that his hands are tied at the seminary

"Mohler claimed his board at SBTS were all liberals and there was nothing he could do about that, except that he would fight as hard as possible 'behind the scenes' to stop CRT and Marxism in the SBC. Only a few of the men present believed Mohler...[James] White was one of them."

"conservative leaders were physically sickened at White’s fanboyism of Mohler and gullibility to believe that Mohler was somehow a secret champion of conservatism while publicly promoting the most liberal forces in the SBC."

 

[Reformed1689]

I don't know where he stands on those issues and I would like to hear what he says. Is it wrong to ask questions?

No, definitely not wrong to ask questions. But you aren't asking questions when you say:

With no program to address the problems, it has to be just about power and money.

 

[church mouse guy]

No, definitely not wrong to ask questions. But you aren't asking questions when you say:

Yeah, but I did ask the questions before that and got no answers. Frankly, I don't know where Mohler stands on anything. I finally found his bio but I never found where he stands on the issues of Lifeway, ERLC, social justice, and I did ask them with question marks above. A lot of people dislike Mohler. I have never paid much attention to him even though Louisville is not too far from Indianapolis and I always enjoy seeing Louisville as I used to live in southern Indiana. As I told you before, I think that R.C. Sproul was a better theologian and I would even throw in the late Norman Geisler, also. My interests the last two years since my short trip to Kentucky to see the Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum has been on Biblical Creation. My personal hero in that movement is Dr. Terry Mortenson but I find Ken Ham very likeable and quite droll and I also like the work of Dr. Michael Oard on the Ice Age and the flood. So I am interested in other subjects than Mohler and I have no idea where he stands on the social problems of the SBC. Have you ever been in a Lifeway store? The one in Indy was once in a good area but now is not as good. The store itself sells a lot of heretical books. I like the store but now I live maybe 25 miles of very heavy traffic from there so I don't go anymore. They brought their decay on themselves in my opinion by having a weak selection. But Indianapolis is not exactly a big SBC place. I think that they should shut down the stores if they are losing money. On the ERLC, I think that it should be closed but I suppose the SBC wants a political office for government officials just like everyone else. I am sick of the social justice issues and I disagree with Mohler's recent statement on homosexuals when he apologized for his past positions. I just can't get an answer on what Mohler wants to do. I have heard that he suffers from NeverTrump syndrome and I know that Moore lied about Trump and never retracted it. So Mohler should say if he thinks Greear is right about Islam and if he would ask Moore to resign or not. But I don't think that he will, do you?

 

[Reformed1689]

Yeah, but I did ask the questions before that and got no answers. Frankly, I don't know where Mohler stands on anything. I finally found his bio but I never found where he stands on the issues of Lifeway, ERLC, social justice, and I did ask them with question marks above. A lot of people dislike Mohler. I have never paid much attention to him even though Louisville is not too far from Indianapolis and I always enjoy seeing Louisville as I used to live in southern Indiana. As I told you before, I think that R.C. Sproul was a better theologian and I would even throw in the late Norman Geisler, also. My interests the last two years since my short trip to Kentucky to see the Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum has been on Biblical Creation. My personal hero in that movement is Dr. Terry Mortenson but I find Ken Ham very likeable and quite droll and I also like the work of Dr. Michael Oard on the Ice Age and the flood. So I am interested in other subjects than Mohler and I have no idea where he stands on the social problems of the SBC. Have you ever been in a Lifeway store? The one in Indy was once in a good area but now is not as good. The store itself sells a lot of heretical books. I like the store but now I live maybe 25 miles of very heavy traffic from there so I don't go anymore. They brought their decay on themselves in my opinion by having a weak selection. But Indianapolis is not exactly a big SBC place. I think that they should shut down the stores if they are losing money. On the ERLC, I think that it should be closed but I suppose the SBC wants a political office for government officials just like everyone else. I am sick of the social justice issues and I disagree with Mohler's recent statement on homosexuals when he apologized for his past positions. I just can't get an answer on what Mohler wants to do. I have heard that he suffers from NeverTrump syndrome and I know that Moore lied about Trump and never retracted it. So Mohler should say if he thinks Greear is right about Islam and if he would ask Moore to resign or not. But I don't think that he will, do you?

They are already shutting down Lifeway stores, or has something changed?

What did Mohler say about homosexuals that he apologized for? Link please.

And seeing as how the announcement of a potential nomination came out a week ago, I don't think it is reasonable to demand he have all of the answers ready now in a succinct platform. This is all very new. Ask the questions, but don't make assumptions and partake in character assassination.

 

[church mouse guy]

They are already shutting down Lifeway stores, or has something changed?

What did Mohler say about homosexuals that he apologized for? Link please.

And seeing as how the announcement of a potential nomination came out a week ago, I don't think it is reasonable to demand he have all of the answers ready now in a succinct platform. This is all very new. Ask the questions, but don't make assumptions and partake in character assassination.

He has been dodging questions for a very long time so this is his fault. He seems to be close friends with Greear and Moore so what kind of friends does he have?

I don't know why you as a supporter of Mohler don't know about this statement and there are many links in search results--Mohler says there is such a thing as homosexual orientation. Do you want to support that?

'In 2014 Albert Mohler advanced the homosexual agenda in the SBC by asserting / accepting and apologizing for being “wrong about homosexual orientations” on behalf of all Southern Baptist and Evangelicals. Sexual Orientation is an American Psychological Association “discovery ” and priority with zero biblical basis'

ALBERT MOHLER “APOLOGIZES ” WHILE HE SOLD THE FARM, ABUSED OTHERS AND IGNORED REAL VICTIMS

It is on YouTube for those who can get YouTube:

 

[Reformed1689]

He has been dodging questions for a very long time so this is his fault. He seems to be close friends with Greear and Moore so what kind of friends does he have?

I don't know why you as a supporter of Mohler don't know about this statement and there are many links in search results--Mohler says there is such a thing as homosexual orientation. Do you want to support that?

'In 2014 Albert Mohler advanced the homosexual agenda in the SBC by asserting / accepting and apologizing for being “wrong about homosexual orientations” on behalf of all Southern Baptist and Evangelicals. Sexual Orientation is an American Psychological Association “discovery ” and priority with zero biblical basis'

ALBERT MOHLER “APOLOGIZES ” WHILE HE SOLD THE FARM, ABUSED OTHERS AND IGNORED REAL VICTIMS

It is on YouTube for those who can get YouTube:

Oh boy, another link littered with Janet Meferd. Sorry, no thanks.

 

[StefanM]

I know that board rules prevent discussion of specific things, but I will say generally that an acknowledgment that a person may have a predisposition to a particular kind of sinful behavior is not equivalent to endorsing that behavior.

The reality is that while we remain in these human bodies, we will have various temptations, and some may be strongly predisposed to particular sins. That doesn't mean that the people affected have a free pass to indulge that disposition.

I prefer to think of the argument "I was born this way; therefore, it is acceptable" as complete trash. We are all born in sin, and that is not acceptable. Whether a person is born with a predisposition to a particular sin that may not go away (but can still be resisted through the power of the Holy Spirit) or a person acquires (through whatever means) a particular sinful inclination that may go away (through the power of the Holy Spirit), the reality is that we are all sinful.

I know I'm being vague in an attempt to adhere to board regulations here, so please bear with me. I think it potentially beneficial to acknowledge that a sinful "orientation" may exist, regardless of the type of sin involved, because it gives us the opportunity to emphasize that we are all born in sin and that being "born this way" is an entirely invalid argument.

 

[Reformed1689]

I know that board rules prevent discussion of specific things, but I will say generally that an acknowledgment that a person may have a predisposition to a particular kind of sinful behavior is not equivalent to endorsing that behavior.

The reality is that while we remain in these human bodies, we will have various temptations, and some may be strongly predisposed to particular sins. That doesn't mean that the people affected have a free pass to indulge that disposition.

I prefer to think of the argument "I was born this way; therefore, it is acceptable" as complete trash. We are all born in sin, and that is not acceptable. Whether a person is born with a predisposition to a particular sin that may not go away (but can still be resisted through the power of the Holy Spirit) or a person acquires (through whatever means) a particular sinful inclination that may go away (through the power of the Holy Spirit), the reality is that we are all sinful.

I know I'm being vague in an attempt to adhere to board regulations here, so please bear with me. I think it potentially beneficial to acknowledge that a sinful "orientation" may exist, regardless of the type of sin involved, because it gives us the opportunity to emphasize that we are all born in sin and that being "born this way" is an entirely invalid argument.

Yes, homosexual orientation is just the world's way of trying to legitimize sin. I agree that they are born that way in the sense that they are born in sin like the rest of us. As you said, each of us are born predisposed to certain sins that easily beset us. Doesn't mean we don't have to repent of them.

 

[Ziggy]

Mohler can't do anything about Lifeway or the ERLC, even as SBC President. The Executive Committee has all power over those or other denominational organizations, and the most the President can do is make appointments to the Committee on Committees which then appoints members and trustees of boards and agencies, etc.

One has to comprehend the complexity of the denominational Behemoth infrastructure to try to figure out what is going on at any time. Sure is easier being an independent Baptist in that regard.

 

[Reformed1689]

Mohler can't do anything about Lifeway or the ERLC, even as SBC President. The Executive Committee has all power over those or other denominational organizations, but and the most the President can do is make appointments to the Committee on Committees and which then appoints members and trustees of boards and agencies, etc.

One has to comprehend the complexity of the denominational Behemoth infrastructure to try to figure out what is going on at any time.

Very informative.