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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by evenifigoalone, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. Benjamin

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    This should settle it:

    I often also wondered why it is that Conservatives are called
    the "right" and Liberals are called the "left."
    By chance I stumbled upon this verse in the Bible:
    "The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
    but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV).
    Thus sayeth the Lord. Amen.
    Can't get any simpler than that.
    ;)
     
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  2. evenifigoalone

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    I highly doubt Ecclesiastes 10 is referring to today's politics. The left right political scale wasn't invented until the 1700's, it didn't exist in Solomon's time

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    Asked around, and pparently there was a thing in ancient times where right hands were considered a symbol of justice, while left hands were evil. You did dirty work with your left hand.
    That's what the verse refers to. It's probably also why Jesus is referred to as being at the Father's right hand.

    It has zilch to do with politics

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    Ummm..the use of that verse was a joke. No one intended it to be taken seriously.
     
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    Ummm..the use of that verse was a joke. No one intended it to be taken seriously.
     
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    Future prophecy??? (Just a thought ---;);))
     
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    Would you agree with the morality in the scriptures outlined to us from God?
     
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    Right wingers are those of use who uphold biblical morality, as in no to abortion and gay weddings, and who do see the cardinal doctrines of Christianity as truths that must be held, correct?
     
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    Not necessarily
    Especially that last bit--there you're confusing theological conservatism with political conservatism. They're not the same.

    I considered myself right wing right up until my fiscal views changed. That's the catalyst that shifted me from right of center to apparently left of center. But if you're at all familiar with right wing libertarians, then you know that they tend to support gay marriage and other things that conservative Christians do not. You can lean right and still support those things from the perspective of the government rule. What makes them right wing is their fiscal views--such as free market and laissez-faire capitalism.

    Left wing libertarianisn also exists--except they tend to be outright socialist and believe in abolishing private property

    There's multiple philosophies and facets of the right wing, and I assume the same is true of the left wing as well. (The left wing is still unfamiliar territory to me.)

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    Doubtful, considering left and right already had a context back then

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    So you would vale your personal decisions in morals over those God gave to us to uphold? Abortion and gay marriage wrong for me, but not wrong for all?
     
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    If we value religious freedom, then we should also value not being forced to follow religions we are not a part of. Gay marriage being morally wrong is a purely religious view.
    ((Edit: I'm prolife))

    When/if a Muslim living in this country decides they want to implement shariah law into the government, you are indignant. And yet you wish to do the same, but it's okay because it's Christian.

    I start work in 15 minutes, so it may be hours before you hear from me again.

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    So it is ok for us to uphold laws that God already stated are sinful?
     
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    Absolutely, the government isn't God. It isn't my mother or father either.

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    is it wise and right to disobey God?
     
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    Clocking into work, will get back to you later.

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    White Nationalists and Nazi's are far RIGHT. Your are simply parroting the Trump approach of saying your enemies are responsible for what you do.
    Were the Nazis Socialists?

    Although the terms “left” and “right” as used in American politics can be somewhat less than perspicuous, they are helpful in delineating the basic ideological divide between liberalism/progressivism (as embodied mainly by the Democratic Party) on one side (“the left”), and conservatism/traditionalism (as embodied mainly by the Republican Party) on the other (“the right”). Seen as a spectrum or continuum of ideologies, socialism/communism traditionally falls on the far left end of this scale, nationalism/fascism on the far right.

    The plain truth, writes Historian Richard J. Evans in The Coming of the Third Reich, was that Hitler and his party saw socialism, communism, and leftism generally as inimical to everything they hoped to achieve:
     
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    the liberalism of say a John Kennedy from back then would be far right now in the dem party, as even president Obama suspect to them for being a liberal!
     
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    I don't think it's that straightforward. I think abortion should be illegal because it is the taking of human life, and the government has a responsibility to protect that life.

    On matters where the role of government isn't as clear, we really run into difficult questions.

    Regardless of what one believes on the other major cultural issues of the day, think about this:

    If you support religious freedom, then you support law that protects the right of others to sin. Any religious organization that rejects Christ is inherently sinful. Protecting the right of such organizations to exist is a protection of sinful acts, at least on some level. Furthermore, if tax exemption is a factor, you can even argue that these sinful acts are indirectly subsidized.

    I don't say this to argue that government shouldn't "regulate morality." Regulating morality is a fundamental component of law. My point is simply that the issue is much more complicated than it may initially appear.
     
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    good point, but my main concern is that Christians ourselves cannot be in the position to reject the teaching of God on moral issues! Even if the Supreme Court says abortion and gay weddings legal, we still need to affirm still sin in sight of God!
     
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