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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Well...your talking to a person who trusts wholely in the Sovereign authority of God. So, thank you for sharing scripture that emphasizes the Supremacy of God. Just a couple weeks back, I read through Isaiah and was blessed by the great hope it conveys to us.
    No worries. Peace
     
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    You are right. There will not be any "rapture" before the great battle of Arnageddon, and the great tribulation. Revelation 16:v.13-16 among others, and Matt.24.

    Revelation 16:v.13-16
    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of this great Day of God Almighty.     -> that is, the Lord's Day <-

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Armageddon is a contraction of three words: -> Air    (heaven-Ephesians 1:v.3) + Magog + Eddon (it means red) - and is the red Dragon, a monstruous religious system with 7 heads, and 10 horns, and a TAIL. The Antichrist's Empire.
     
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    The twilight zone over here.
     
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    Daniel 12:v.11-12
    11 From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.     (Scripture is not refering about sacrifices of demons made by demons through red heifers, or goats, or pigs, whatever it is, but about the holy sacrifices of JESUS valid until the end of the Dispensation of Grace in these last two millenniums)

    12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Day 1335 after the END of the Great tribulation. This is the Day of JESUS coming, or the return of JESUS. Hallelujaaa!

    What prevails is the Word of God. Who knows TODAY what day will it be? which is the prophetic day 1335 , revealed by the Word of God ?
     
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    What JESUS said about the END of the world, and about His coming, as is written in Mat.24 among others Scriptures, one by one of the signs will happen henceforth, day by day, inclusive will arise a false Christ (v.23), in fact a FALSE MESSIAH of the Jews as said JESUS(John 5:v.43, AN IMPOSTER), and our LORD warned His people, saying: If any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    JESUS warned: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets (    false preachers of Scriptures) , and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Terrible, very terrible, say I).

    25 Behold, I have told you before. -> So, the most important is to obey what our LORD said about the signs to be happen in this present time, even in the days ahead.

    Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan.12:v.12.
    It means 75 days after the END of the second period of half week of the last week, and the END of this world of Devil, and the END of the Dispensation of Grace, and END of the FIRST and SECOND heavens, the END of all things, and the BEGINNING of God's Kingdom, the millenial Kingdom of the LORD, as He said in Luke 20:v.35-36.

    And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:v.5-6

    THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND
     
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    What does the Word of God say?

    In JESUS is life; and the life is the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehend Him not.
     
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    Millions of our brother's and sister's have been martyred and butchered. Tell them they didn't face great tribulation. It is an eisegesis nightmare to take the verses you shared and turn them into some future event that happens after the children of God have been removed from the earth.
     
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    You are welcome.

    To the only wise God our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.

    The TRUMPET shall sound
     
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    You are saying that, not me. What you said has nothing to do with the content that was posted. Anyway, what does the Word of God say?

    If any man build upon the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work will be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it will be revealed by FIRE; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by FIRE. 1Cor.3:v.12-15.

    So, you should be worried with yourself.

    The TRUMPET shall sound, if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
     
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    JESUS said: I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelation 22:v. 16
     
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    Amen. To the only wise God our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.
     
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    Sir, would you care to join me in waving good-bye to the Dispensationalists since clearly their rapture will be for dispensationalism believers only?
     
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    Sir, who is your authority on this? It deals with the end of the world but pre-trib & mid-trib date from roughly 1800 in England. It opposes historic post-trib thinking that says that the Blessed Hope arrives then. The leading site of dispensationalism as far as I know is Dallas Theological Seminary.
     
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    I read that passage in 1 Corinthians and I am reminded that our works may burn up, but we won't. Therefore, worrying is not from God.
    Now, please exegete that passage as proof of a pre-trib rapture.
     
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    Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib... it's all dispensationalism. Amillenialism doesn't break up God's work into differing functions. God remains consistent from beginning to end.
    Now, it really doesn't bother me regarding a person's view on future events. I find it a waste of my day to be looking at the future and guessing.
     
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    Look, you have been very nice about this so I took time to find a definition for your consideration.

    Dispensationalism is a theological system that teaches biblical history is best understood in light of a number of successive administrations of God's dealings with mankind, which it calls "dispensations." It maintains fundamental distinctions between God's plans for national Israel and for the New Testament Church, and emphasizes prophecy of the end-times and a pre-tribulation rapture of the church prior to Christ's Second Coming. Its beginnings are usually associated with the Plymouth Brethren movement in the UK and the teachings of John Nelson Darby.

    https://www.theopedia.com/dispensationalism
     
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    cmg, I lived in the world of dispensationalism and went to a dispensational Bible School. All three rapture options were taught, with the prevailing view being pre-trib.
    However, the argument for the rapture, in my opinion, is weak. I also find that spending much time on future speculation is a waste of the present where I am called to tell others about reconciliation with Christ rather than dream of what may be.
    Let today care for itself and let us not worry about tomorrow.
     
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    I think that you were taught wrong. Most dispensationalists consider post-trib heretical and called it covenant theology. Dispensationalism says I am not going to see the Anti-Christ, etc.
     
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    Many from that school went on to Dallas Theological Seminary.
    Regardless, post-trib is found in the dispensational camp, not covenant theology.
     
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    No, I never met a dispensationalist who believed in the post-trib rapture. They are all emphatic that good Christians have a ticket to escape the Tribulation, to get out of jail free.
     
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