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MB

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The Bibles truth is not a false doctrine, MB. You are prejudiced against the gospel of grace as you teach the gospel of law...the thing that Paul called anathema. You are not speaking for your King.

Your problem is your can't read very well. the words "COME TO ME" are an invitation and you deny God's Word that it is.Think about it.
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MB

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The P in TULIP is Biblical!
No sir it is not. We do not have to work to keep our Salvation. Perseverance is work. Man can only be saved once. He does not have to work to keep it because his faith is still counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5." Once saved always saved" All that is required for Salvation is your faith because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit once we believe. No one can pluck us out of God's Hand. Not even our selves..
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No sir it is not. We do not have to work to keep our Salvation. Perseverance is work. Man can only be saved once. He does not have to work to keep it because his faith is still counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5." Once saved always saved" All that is required for Salvation is your faith because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit once we believe. No one can pluck us out of God's Hand. Not even our selves..
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TULIP and Reformed Theology: Perseverance of the Saints
 

MB

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You still cannot escape the work of perseverance. Of course there are lot's of people sitting in pews who are only pretenders. I look at it like this. I have no idea of who is saved. I've seen people who do wonderful works in the name of Christ. With everyone saying what wonderful Christians they are .and then the congregation turns on them because they did something they consider non Christian. The whole congregation not just part of it.
I call these congregations fruit inspectors. Everyone of them hypocrites. We cannot judge the Salvation of others, this is God's Job. Besides we cannot see there hearts. Only God can do that. We have to be careful about who we judge if we don't want to be judged.
Maybe RC Sproul has so many non Christians in his church is mostly do to the false gospel he preaches. A little leaven leventh the whole lump.
There simply is no such thing as persevering christians. Christians are kept y the Hand of God. None of Calvinism is biblical. Perseverance of the saints takes away the glory of God's power and places it in the hands of men.
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AustinC

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The problem really is that Calvinism is not biblical doctrine. You've never shown proof that it is. It comes from Augustine and the Catholic church, not the Bible
MB.

The problem is that you reject the clear observation of scripture. Proof has been shown to you over and over again. You are like a Pharisee that will not believe, despite all the proof being shown to you.
The observation comes from scripture. It is you who makes up an excuse to cast the observation onto something other than scripture. It is your crutch to keep you from accepting what scripture shows you.
 

1689Dave

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You still cannot escape the work of perseverance. Of course there are lot's of people sitting in pews who are only pretenders. I look at it like this. I have no idea of who is saved. I've seen people who do wonderful works in the name of Christ. With everyone saying what wonderful Christians they are .and then the congregation turns on them because they did something they consider non Christian. The whole congregation not just part of it.
I call these congregations fruit inspectors. Everyone of them hypocrites. We cannot judge the Salvation of others, this is God's Job. Besides we cannot see there hearts. Only God can do that. We have to be careful about who we judge if we don't want to be judged.
Maybe RC Sproul has so many non Christians in his church is mostly do to the false gospel he preaches. A little leaven leventh the whole lump.
There simply is no such thing as persevering christians. Christians are kept y the Hand of God. None of Calvinism is biblical. Perseverance of the saints takes away the glory of God's power and places it in the hands of men.
MB
Anyone who does not believe in OSAS can not have "saving faith". Saving faith believes Christ saved them.
 
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MB

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this is a rather dumb remark. As person can be saved without knowing "doctrines".
Aren't you one of those Biblically trained people who should know that you have to hear the gospel in order to have faith?
I suppose you can say I'm dumb all you want to. The truth is I would not be saved if I hadn't heard Christian doctrine being preached from God's word. With out which we cannot have faith because it comes from hearing Roman 10:17.
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MB

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The problem is that you reject the clear observation of scripture. Proof has been shown to you over and over again. You are like a Pharisee that will not believe, despite all the proof being shown to you.
The observation comes from scripture. It is you who makes up an excuse to cast the observation onto something other than scripture. It is your crutch to keep you from accepting what scripture shows you.

The truth is you need to pay closer attention. I have proved what I believe to be true and you are unable to disprove it so you continue to attack me with your disbelief of the scripture as if you are right and i'm wrong. I've shown scripture and you still disagree. I suspect because of pride. You can't prove me wrong so you attack me personally. What you are doing is your admission of your doctrines being false.I realize you are deceived by your Calvinism but all I can do is offer you the truth.Take it or leave it. Your not adult enough to take it. Feel free to live in your delusions.
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The problem really is that Calvinism is not biblical doctrine. You've never shown proof that it is. It comes from Augustine and the Catholic church, not the Bible
MB.
Came straight out of Romans, and that is in the Bible. correct?
 
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