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  1. SGO

    SGO Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, the word of God is living and effective,
    Hebrews 4:12 NABRE (New American Bible Revised Edition)
     
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    The word of God IS not the bible. Jesus is the word of God. The BIBLE is not the word of God. You can find the word of God IN IT.

    The guys you read in the bible....talk about word of God they are not talking about the book your holding, they are talking about Jesus Christ and the gospel.

    GOSPEL, BIBLE, WORD OF GOD. those are three different things. SUPRISE we use 3 words for each. Else why even use the word bible and not just word of GOD.

    THINK ABOUT IT! Why even use the word bible? Because there is a difference. Use the noggin.
     
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    Do you even read the bible?

    No public answer necessary.

    Since you do, if you do, why?

    You don't seem to need it from your statement: "The word of God IS not the bible."

    If then, you do not think the word of God is the bible, why even post here?

    Are you trying to dissuade those of us who believe in the bible?

    Indeed, the word of God is living and effective,
    Hebrews 4:12 NABRE

    It is written,
    Man shall not live by bread alone,
    but by every word
    that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
    Matthew 4:4
     
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    Oh, right you said the word of God is not the bible it's in the bible.
    How do you tell which is and which is not?
    Would it not be safer to read it as it states for itself.

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 Timothy 3:16
    The word of our God shall stand for ever. Isaiah 40:8
    Every word of God is pure. Proverbs 30:5
    It is written, men shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4

    Where does it say the word of God is not the bible but in the bible?
    Is the word of God part that you find in the bible alive for you?
     
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    Well your answer is right there in the next sentence if you keep reading. --->You can find the word of God IN IT.

    "Are you trying to dissuade those of us who believe in the bible?"

    No I'm trying to improve your reading comprehension. WORDS can be SAID, words can be written, words can be exchanged with smoke signals.

    For some people its WOOOSH over their head and they believe WORD can only and must mean WRITTEN.
     
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    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 Timothy 3:16"
    Amen.

    Bible means "BOOKS"

    Scripture does not mean Word.

    If you SAY something out loud that's a WORD too you know but that is not scripture.

    GOSPEL means "GOOD NEWS"

    Gospel is not a magic word. You can walk around with good news all the time. THE GOOD NEWS is Jesus Christ.


    Every time you run into a "BIBLE WORD" one shouldn't freak out and give it over the top significance. Like the word FAITH just means trust and confidence.
     
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    So for you the living word is Christ.

    The Word of God made flesh (John 1:14) is now the word of God somewhere in a book.
    Word=word.
    And the living word is only in parts of the bible.
    How do you know the living word is alive if it is print on a page?
    Something outside of the book tells you?
     
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    Yeah the holy spirit leads you.

    The lowest common denominator is the Christian. He's the letter written in the heart.

    2 corinthians 3

    2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all people,

    You yourself are "THE WORD OF GOD" in a sense, because you can preach it and follow it.
     
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    Well that is comforting but non-sensical to me.
    You have a hint of what kind of sinner I am although, not proud of it.
    The bible is the word of God to me and has the words of God to you as I understand what you have written in this thread.

    They are not alive because you and I are alive.
    They are alive because they are alive or the verses that say they are alive are lies (alie sounds a little like alive).
    And the verses do not say certain words of God are alive.


    The word of God is quick...
    The word of God is alive...
    Hebrews 4:12
    ... the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever
    1 Peter 1:23
     
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    I agree w/ this, at that time. But today we still have God’s inspired Words preserved for us. Bible says the Words are quick (living) and powerful (effectual). Since we still have the preserved Words, it’s still alive. In a book. Which gave you the Words to know what to speak and how you’ve learned about the Good News.
     
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    And Peter called Paul's writings scripture so there were some of the new testament writings flowing around new testament writers.

    ... Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him
    hath written unto you;
    As also in all his epistles,
    speaking in them of these things;
    in which
    are some things hard to be understood,
    which they that are unlearned and unstable
    wrest,
    as they do also the other scriptures,
    unto their own destruction.
    2 Peter 3:15b-16

    So the Apostle Peter called Paul's writings scripture:

    "all his epistles" comparing them to "the other scriptures"

    but did Peter say only the word of God within Paul's writings is scripture?

    No.

    He said "all his epistles" are scriptures.

    So then complete books are scripture not just several words or passages within them.

    If complete books are scriptures and all scripture is inspired then it is possible to say, at least for Paul's writings and Peter's unnamed other scriptures, that entire books in the bible can be inspired.

    Unless of course, Peter was overstating for dramatic effect and not writing by the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Or how about this passage:

    For whatsoever things were written aforetime
    were written for our learning,
    that we
    through patience and comfort
    of the scriptures
    might have hope.
    Romans 15:4

    Is Paul saying everything "whatsoever" that was written before in the entire world is for our learning?

    No.

    He is saying everything that was written in the scriptures (the good Old Testament)
    was written for our learning.

    That is, the entire Old Testament, Paul is calling scriptures.

    And we know all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

    We need the hope that comes from trusting in the word of God.

    Oh Lord, I need patience too.
     
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    Well, the life of God by way of His Spirit through His Son. It is no coincidence that the word translated "word" is also who the Son is, John 1:1. And that not any thing is caused apart from God's Son, John 1:3, And everything is maintained by His Son, Hebrews 1:2-3. Now the given written word and the Son are not the same thing. But the Son is the source.

    The word of God is of two types.

    Natural revelation, Psalms 19:1-4, Romans 10:17-18. All the laws of physics, etc. Man's study of it we call science.

    And what we will call special Revelation, which gives us our Bible. In the words of Jesus, Luke 24:44, ". . . And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

    Which comes down to knowing Jesus Christ as our Savior and Him being our sole access to God.

    A book could be written on what I only touch on here.
     
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    John 2:22

    “When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.”
     
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    Jesus is the “W”ord of God. Finding the “w”ord of God “in it” contradicts saying it’s not the word of God. Same thing. You find the “word(s) of God” “in” the Bible.
     
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    If then, the word of God is Jesus Word of God, why don't we (those of us that accept the bible is the word of God) worship the bible?
    We don't.
    Why not?
    It's something separate.
    If it's separate and the word of God/alive, what life?
    It's words the Holy Sprit uses.
    But aren't the words themselves alive?
    No.
    So "the word of God", alive and active, is really dead print which the omnipresent God uses at His will?
     
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