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2 Peter 2:1 Cannot be referring to a saved believer

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AustinC, Oct 18, 2021.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    Are you even aware of how anti bible you are? I doubt it as you are stuck in your determinism. The last thing that you want is for the truth to shine through into your life as that would require you to actually trust what the bible says.
    The truth will set you free and I do hope that you will find it.
     
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    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    This from a Calvinist, really.
     
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    Yep, really.
     
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    Since I often provide passages of scripture it is disingenuous of you to make such a silly claim.
     
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    Another approach to proving limited atonement. In Hebrews 6 the writer tells us that in order to save any who fall away Christ would need to be crucified all over again. This means his death paid only for the elect and was not sufficient to save all as many believe. Why would he pay for all and need to pay for them again if his death was sufficient for all? If it was, all would be saved. So this shows that Jesus died for a specific number and nothing more than that. And that God never intended to save those who fall away.

    This as I see it refutes Amyraldianism (4 point Calvinism) as well as Arminianism and Unitarianism.
     
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    If truly Christian then just how do they fall away. To me this term of falling away is before one is saved. they are just starting to believe.. I've been saved for 63 years and I have never stopped believing in Christ. I'm not sinless yet I die to sin everyday. It would seem to me that if a man falls away ignoring God completely then they were never saved in the first place. We are His sheep if one is missing the Lord goes looking for him and brings him back into the fold. We can't fall away if we truly Love the Lord. Love is not like a light bulb that we can turn on and off at will Love that is real love never goes away. It's what makes man lonely when they loose there spouse. I really believe if I didn't have Jesus I would die from loneliness. There would be no reason to live any longer..
    MB
     
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    Calvinists even rewrite their own posts...

    Here, again, is what I actually said:

    Anyone can say "that is not in scripture."
    He claims "even denying the Master who bought them" is no where to be found. This verse (2 Peter 2:1) indicates some are bought but not given, however no Calvinists can grasp the concept. ​
     
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    How do you support "some are bought but not given" from 2 Peter 2:1?

    But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

    The term "bought" is not referring to "redeemed." It is not salvific in this passage. It is reminding us of persons like Judas Iscariot who claim fellowship, but are not redeemed by the blood of Christ. It reminds us that tares are among the wheat in the Masters field.
     
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    As I said, folks, the concept of bought but not given is beyond the capacity of any Calvinist to even comprehend. Although I have supported the concept, the Calvinist asks how do I support it.
    Did anyone say "bought" in 2 Peter 2:1 refers to being "redeemed?" Nope.
    Did the Calvinist quote where I clearly stated what "bought" referred to? Nope
    Why? Because no Calvinist can grasp the concept. They all seem to have been blinded by their indoctrination into the false doctrine of Calvinism.
     
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    Now that is so far out there that only a Calvinist thinks that holds water. You are really reaching for something to support your view. Try again this one fails.
     
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    Even though it was inspired by the Lord as truth?
     
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    No, as God allows them to have what they really do desire!
     
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    Lost sinners prefer to remain in their own darkness!
     
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    Yes, the Lord permits them to choose their desires, which will be always to reject Lord jesus to save them from their sins!
     
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    Again Van, we Calvinists are NOT rejecting the scriptures, just yours and MB wrong viewpoints on them!
     
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    First, Van, address me directly or stop replying.
    Second, you don't answer my question. Here it is for a second time.

    How do you support "some are bought but not given" from 2 Peter 2:1?

    Third, Van, directly answer me and my question. You specifically said, "some are bought, but not given." Please exegete 2 Peter 2:1 and show us how the text makes that specific argument.

    I appreciate when you speak directly to me and to the question.
     
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    You reject the truth of scripture all the time. If you didn't you would not be a Calvinist.
    MB
     
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    Do we Calvinists hold to a false Gospel then, are we even saved then?
     
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    God does not allow man to sin. All Calvinist wish to blame God for there sins. An allowance is an endorsement. God approved.The God I worship does not sin.
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    If God is not allowing them to sin, is He causing them to sin then?
     
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