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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Mar 12, 2023.

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  1. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    One of these is scripture says, "nor can he receive them, because they are spiritually discerned",

    and one of these is scripture with an addition which nullifies, to change it and make it deny scripture, "Some of the lost "seek God" some of the time".

    But we are told that the one with the addition to scripture, that makes it mean the opposite, is the "actual word of God"?

    "embrace the actual word of God. Some of the lost seek God some of the time."

    That is pretty hard core.


    Why make an O.P., when it so obviously depends on bastardizing the Book, in front of God and everybody?
     
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    To the natural man that does not receive the things of the Spirit of the Spirit of God;

    "The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming." Psalm 37:13;

    ...if that lost soul remains on that condition.
     
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    They, being Israel, God's chosen.
     
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    They, being unregenerate sought God. Why not address the issue?
     
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    Are they the chosen people, yes or no.
    As chosen people, under the Mosaic Covenant, they have a particular covenant responsibility.
    You are trying to pound your square peg into a round hole and force your eisegesis onto the text.
     
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    The square peg is the claim no one ever seeks God, when verse after verse declares they do!

    Firstly Scripture does not tell us "There is not one who ever seeks after God!" Romans 3:11
    Secondly, Scripture does tell us lost people seek after God. Acts 13:7
    Thirdly, Scripture tells us God allows some people to find Him. 2 Chronicles 15:4
    Fourthly, no one seeks after God unless they believe He exists and rewards those who seek Him. Hebrews 11:6

    Folks, ask yourselves how anyone familiar with Scripture could believe the lost are unable to seek God?
     
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    So Romans 3 is a square peg in your mind. That explains much, Van.
     
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    Ask yourselves, did the crowds that came to hear Jesus, come seeking God's Prophet, or Messiah, or Rabbi? Or were they seeking to avoid God's Prophet, or Messiah or Rabbi?
     
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    I addressed Romans 3:11, which does not say no one ever seeks after God. So rather than admit adding to scripture, a dodge is posted.
     
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    Ya sure?
    *Romans 3:9-12*
    What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.”
     
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    LOL, he provides the quote that does not include "EVER" and then asks if everyone is sure it does not include EVER!!! Folks, Reformed Theology adds to scripture and then pretends it does not. I kid you not...
     
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    What is it about "No one" you don't understand?
    What is it about "all" that you don't understand?
    This is a universal truth and here you are, Van, trying to hide behind the idea that God didn't say "ever." That is just laugh out loud funny.
     
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    Caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you claim no one ever is not adding to scripture when contextually no one always or no one when sinning is the actual message. Your doctrines additions to scripture are universal falsehoods that hinder the ministry of Christ.
     
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    Matthew 15:10-11 (NASB)
    After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand!

    It is not what enters the mouth that defiles the person, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles the person.”

    Matthew 15:31 (NASB)
    So the crowd was astonished as they saw those who were unable to speak talking, those with impaired limbs restored, those who were limping walking around, and those who were blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.

    When next to see some Reformed Theology advocate post "no one ever seeks God" remember that scripture contains dozens of examples of people seeking God.
     
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    Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
    Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

    1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
    1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    Now if we were to understand the scriptures through your Calvinist lens then we would have to conclude that everyone loves God. Or are you saying that God has a different kind of love for people?
     
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    What is it about "No one" you don't understand?
    What is it about "all" that you don't understand?
    This is a universal truth and here you are, Van, trying to hide behind the idea that God didn't say "ever." That is just laugh out loud funny.
    *Romans 3:9-18,20*
    What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

    For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
     
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    LOL, Van requires God to say what Van wants God to say or Van won't believe what God says!
    I kid you not...
     
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    God must have a different understanding of whether man can turn to Him in faith.

    Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
    Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
    Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
    Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
    Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
    Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
    Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
    Rom 3:29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,
    Rom 3:30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
    Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

    Sure seems to be a lot of people that have put their faith in Christ Jesus for salvation.

    And how do they come to trust in Christ.
    Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    And God does not put the restriction on those that can come to him as you do Austin
    Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

    Which was pointed out to us by a reliable source, Christ Jesus.
    Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
    Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

    Now you may be wondering why Christ said that whoever believes can be saved? Well He gave us the answer.
    Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
    Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    And He even told us that man had to make that choice to believe or not to believe.
    Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Now you may be wondering what they are to believe for salvation.
    Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
    Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
     
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    What cookie jar? I have openly showed you your error and you toss God's word aside while you rewrite it to your liking.
     
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    God can choose to save you without your approval? Is that accurate?

    God can choose who will be saved, at anytime, say even before the foundation of the world? Is that accurate?

    When God tells you that you were predestined, chosen, and elect unto salvation, He doesn't need your approval. Is that accurate?

    I await your answer.
     
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