Is the KJV's rendering the most accurate in these ten passages?

[Alan Dale Gross]

After showing their dependence upon their deception of unceremoniously placing all Bible readers who prefer the Supernaturally Inspired Superiority of the King James Bible**, into the "King James Only Camp" of Peter Ruckman's heresies, and presumably dismissing them all, "Like shooting fish in a barrel", they next proceed to embarrass themselves by bragging on their ignorance, if not just being illiterate, of the English Language and others, also.

**(remind me to illustrate this to you).

Do you try an inexcusable, irresponsible hack job as you throw out misleading and incorrect accusations against believers
who disagree with human, non-scriptural KJV-only reasoning/teaching?

So, what do you consider KJV-only reasoning/teaching?
Who is it you call KJV-Only?

Believers who disagree with KJV-only teaching do not treat the Bible like they would any other book. That misrepresentation may be a strawman.

I'm not talking about the 'believers'. I mean that was the initial consensus with the Spiritualists and directive given by the Luciferins to Westcott and Hort who then treated the Bible like they would any other book, right? And you know it was not God Who Led them to secretly change the Greek and pretend to make the lie of a fake 'revised' version of the KJV. Just thought you might want to keep it real.

Rejecting non-scriptural KJV-only claims is not a rejection of the preservation of the Scriptures.

Since 'reconstructing' the bible is a denial of the preservation of the Scriptures, this is just a lie, right.

Nothing unusual to have to lie, especially considering their disingenuous philosophy by which W&H undertook their own project of having their new Greek text slipped to the RSV Translators, without their knowledge, after they had intentionally tainted and sabotaged a rewriting of precious little underlying original language evidence, when those manuscripts resurfaced from the Underground Occult, after hundreds of years of abandonment, and which were highly suspect and questionable as to everything about their existence.

Garbage In = Garbage Out. So, lying is the order of the day.

What else are they going to do? Pretend to say something that's acceptable to God about them?

You'd think He would have been consulted more than how they obviously display His Conspicuous absence.

It is not claimed that everyone who uses the KJV is associated with Peter Ruckman.

This, of course, is as big a lie as the others.

No, I know, now you say Peter Ruckman isn't even a KJV-Only retard, because he didn't believe in the absolute exclusive use of the King James Bible by everyone, everywhere, but would acquiesce to the use of some Foreign Language versions by Foreigners.

I'm glad you read after KJV-Only nutcases. I don't. I don't have any use for them. I'm not looking for a simpleton emotional toddlerisk perspective on what they must be trying to say, which is that all the modern versions are supernatural evil influenced, in an Anti-Christ-type manner, causing them to lean hardest toward the occult in their wording of verses and those omitted, i.e., The New World Translation, than they ever do their supposed predecessor, the King James Bible.

Perhaps some KJV-only advocates attempt to mislead or deceive others concerning the accurate term KJV-only.

You and apparently all Modern Bible proponents who attempt to defend them and Westcott and Hort are advocates who attempt to mislead or deceive others concerning the accurate term KJV-only, by continually lying, and painting everyone who doesn't worship and purchase the modern products as KJV-Only nutcases.

Maybe you are not always lying and just have someone acting as an imposter who is just pretending to be you when you describe what you are saying a KJV-Only Bible reader fully prescribes to and believes about the KJV.

The accurate term KJV-only is used by Bible believers to define and describe any view that accepts or makes some type of exclusive claims for only one English Bible translation—the KJV.

Logos1560's KJV-Only means: any view that accepts or makes some type of exclusive claims for only one English Bible translation—the KJV.

Where, honestly, "some type of exclusive claim" means, "anyone who does not believe in 'Modern Bibles-Only' and purchase several modern version products every year or so". (At least that's your goal and those you work for.)

FORGET The KJV FOREVER FEVOR!

So, what if it has been God's Holy Bible the last 400 yrs+ and Saved and Spiritually Enriched Billions.

What a bunch of Sacrilegious and Blasphemous Apostates.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Holders of a KJV-only view would in effect attempt to suggest, assume, or claim that the KJV is the word of God translated into English in some different sense than any other English translation is the word of God translated into English.

"in effect attempt to suggest", (by any manner imaginable).
"assume", (anything imaginable)
"or claim" (or say they "claim" no matter what they actually "claim" and it doesn't matter who "claims" it)

"that the KJV is the word of God translated into English" (Yes, it is ONE THAT WE ARE SURE OF, AREN'T WE, WHICH IS ABOUT ALL ANYBODY EVER REALLY MEANS ABOUT IT, DEEP DOWN, PROBABLY, MEANING WELL AND MAKING TOVERSTATED CLAIMS, IN OPPOSITION TO THOSE WHICH ARE AT ENMITY AGAINST GOD IN HATRED OF HIS KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE.

WE KNOW THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS HIS, EVEN IF OTHERS ARE JUST AS COMPARIBLE, OR WHETHER THEY SUCK EGGS.

"in some different sense" (in any sense imaginable,
including praying to God for Guidance and an Unction from the Holy Spirit, for the Blood of Jesus to Inundate their work, and leave the King James Version Dripping with the Anointing Blood of Jesus Christ, WHICH IT DOES, EVEN IF NTHER VERSION DOES OR NOT, OR TRIES AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO NOT TO BE A TESTAMENT TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

There are plenty of "English translations that are the word of God translated into English" in the line of Preservation and others more recent that were Faithfully Translated by the Process with Comparison of All Available Scriptures with Scriptures, but unless you can come up with a Testimony of a Personal Salvation Experience from the most predominant influences of the underlying Greek texts used by every other modern version, I'm opting out by keeping them at least ten miles from me and THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, BUT FALSELY ACCUSE ME OF BELIEVING THE KJV IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE NEVER CHANGED FROM THE 1611, IN EVEN ONE WORD, AND SOME VERSION OF IT (?) WAS DOULBLE-INSPIRED AND PERFECT EXACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPHS FROM THE HAND OF THE BIBLE WRITERS AND GOD HIMSELF.

Because you've been taught and hired to lie, even though you already knew all about how to lie all on your own, before then.

Calling someone KJV-Only because they know we have and have had the Word of God in the King James Bible and many others before and since, just because they are aware and educated to the Dark Occult Origins in the History of the modern versions and view them the way the King James Bible Translators did their exclusive 1% of manuscript evidence as spurious, while discarding them out of hand, doesn't mean they believe anything like the over zealous KJV-Only zealots and heretics you call KJV-Only authors that you love to quote, but who don't have anything to do with any devote user of the King James Bible.

Stop always lying about it all and give up thinking that you're getting rid of them, either.

If God has Permitted the modern versions as His Judgment against Apostate 'Christianity', let Him Be, to Do what He Wants.

I'd check any Reader's Digest wannabe abridgements that have removed generous portions of THE WORD OF GOD
WHEN JESUS SAID THEY "ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE", as if we're supposed to believe the Holy Spirit Led them to play god.

They Word of God is Eternally Alive and not Suicidal.

Changes which Change the Word of God into ERROR WILL MEET WITH THE JUDGMENT OF GOD.

Jesus said, "the Same shall Judge them at the Last Day"

"He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My Words, hath One that Judgeth him:
the Word that I have Spoken, the Same shall Judge him in the Last Day." John 12:48.

We have the Complete Word of God in our hands with the King James Bible, we know, and it has not been lost, and much to your dislike and disapproval, the King James Bible and God's Word isn't going away anywhere, ever.

How did Jesus Know that His Words would be written down and Preserved until we are reading them, and are being Made Accountable to God through those Same Words to us here and now, and how did Jesus Know that those Same Words of His would be Preserved to be "One that Judges" everyone at the Last Day?

Because, Jesus is the All Powerful Sovereign God of the Universe and the Creator and Judge of Mankind.

Jesus was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus had Pre-existence and Made Pre-existent Appearances,
like when Adam "heard the Voice of the LORD God Walking in the Garden in the cool of the Day," Genesis 3:8a.

Jesus had Part in the Election of some Angels and men,
as a Part of the Eternal Covenant of Grace by the Eternal Godhead for the Salvation of men,
Jesus Christ Created the Heavens and the Earth,
Jesus Christ is the One Mediator between God and man,
Jesus is the Surety of the Eternal Covenant of Grace,
Jesus was the Testator of the Covenant,
Jesus was Virgin Born to Save His people (sheep) from their sins
Jesus in His States of Active and Passive Obedience died, was buried, and rose again for the Elect.
Jesus Brought Redemption, Propitiation, Atonement, and Reconciliation,
Jesus Provided Adoption and Liberty to the Sons of God,
Jesus Gave Conversion, Sanctification, and Preservation to the saints as their Eternal Savior,
Jesus Ascended in to Heaven and Sat Down at the Right Hand of the Throne of God where He is Reigning Today,
until Jesus Comes Again and Judges the Just and the unjust,
Jesus Will Separate the goats from the sheep,
Jesus Will Raise the dead from the bottom of the sea,
Jesus will Consummate the Age and Create a New Heaven and a New Earth,
Jesus Will Reign as the Lord God of the Universe, Eternally.

Did Westcott and Hort believe any of that about the Lord Jesus Christ, our God and Savior?

Any of it?

Westcott and Hort didn't reject Jesus did they?

Where are they at nowadays, btw? Do you know?

No matter where they are or what they said they didn't believe and weren't believers of, or in, at all,

they have had their mouths shut and bowed their knee to the Lordship of Jesus, now.

 

[Logos1560]

Garbage In = Garbage Out. So, lying is the order of the day.

This, of course, is as big a lie as the others.

I'm glad you read after KJV-Only nutcases. I don't. I don't have any use for them. I'm not looking for a simpleton emotional toddlerisk perspective on what they must be trying to say, which is that all the modern versions are supernatural evil influenced, in an Anti-Christ-type manner, causing them to lean hardest toward the occult in their wording of verses and those omitted, i.e., The New World Translation, than they ever do their supposed predecessor, the King James Bible.

You and apparently all Modern Bible proponents who attempt to defend them and Westcott and Hort are advocates who attempt to mislead or deceive others concerning the accurate term KJV-only, by continually lying, and painting everyone who doesn't worship and purchase the modern products as KJV-Only nutcases.

You continue your use of carnal smear tactics and strawman distortions as you make false accusations that bear false witness. You do not prove any of my statements to be "lies" yet you repeatedly throw out that bogus false accusation. In contrast, it has been soundly demonstrated that you do not apply the same exact measures/standards to the KJV that you inconsistently and unjustly attempt to apply to the NKJV. Your use of divers measures or double standards has been demonstrated.

I do not defend Westcott and Hort, and my consistent, scripturally-based view of Bible translations has nothing to do with them. I have not advocated nor recommended the Westcott/Hort Greek Text nor the Critical Text nor any English Bible translations made from them. I accept the same view of Bible translations as the early English Bible translators including the KJV translators accepted.

I have nowhere claimed nor suggested that everyone who does not purchase a modern English Bible translation is "KJV-only" as you falsely allege. I have not claimed that everyone who reads only the KJV is "KJV-only." It is not reading only the KJV that would be considered to constitute a KJV-only view. Reading only the KJV would not identify the person’s view or beliefs concerning the KJV. It is not using only the KJV in teaching or preaching that would be considered to constitute a KJV-only view. It is not preferring the KJV that constitutes a KJV-only view. What is soundly considered to constitute a KJV-only view would concern a person’s beliefs, opinions, and claims concerning the KJV (his exclusive only claims for it), not his reading only it or using only it in teaching or preaching.

 

[Logos1560]

We have the Complete Word of God in our hands with the King James Bible, we know, and it has not been lost, and much to your dislike and disapproval, the King James Bible and God's Word isn't going away anywhere, ever.

I do not disapprove of anyone reading the KJV even reading only the KJV as you try improperly to misrepresent what I state. In disobedience to a command of God, you bear false witness with your false accusations and strawman misrepresentations of me. I love the KJV and accept the KJV as what it actually is.

You may believe your above statement, but that does not make it true or prove it to be true.
You do not prove that the KJV has an English word/rendering for each and every original-language word of Scripture found in the preserved Scriptures in the original languages. The KJV is not actually an every word Bible translation as it omits giving any English word for many original-language words of Scripture. In their marginal notes in the original 1611 edition, the KJV translators gave examples of where they gave no English word/rendering for some original-language words of Scripture.

Did readers of the original 1611 edition have "the complete word of God" in their hands when later editors/printers would add over 190 whole English words not found in that original 1611 edition and would omit or remove some 60 whole English words that were in it?

Over 60 whole words found in the 1611 edition are omitted in the post-1900 KJV edition in the Scofield Reference Bible if accidentally repeated words including the 21 words at Exodus 14:10 are included in the count.

All the thirty or so varying editions of the KJV available today are not every word the same. A year or so ago, I ordered and purchased and held in my hands an edition of the KJV entitled The Daily Wisdom for Teens KJV Devotional Bible printed by Barbour Publishing with a 2023 copyright date which was missing the entire books of 1 and 2 John and had the books of 1 and 2 Peter repeated.

The Church of England makers of the KJV removed or omitted over 800 words found in the Great Bible [the first authorized version of the Church of England]. The KJV translators removed or omitted over 200 words found in the book of Psalms in the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible which was their starting point in English. That 1602 Bishops' Bible had the book of Psalms from the Great Bible which was also the edition of the book of Psalms that was in the Church of England's Book of Common Prayer for many years.