God looks backward to the Future

[SovereignGrace]

Proverbs 14:16

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." I know its not bible, but it is a sound teaching to adhere to, imo.

 

[Marooncat79]

Absolutely

 

[Van]

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." I know its not bible, but it is a sound teaching to adhere to, imo.

Absolutely

Obfuscation posts, off topic change of subject posts.

Time travel theology and Crystal Ball theology are false doctrines, held by those either duped or demonic.

 

[Ben1445]

Time travel theology and Crystal Ball theology are false doctrines, held by those either duped or demonic.

How does God know that He is the beginning and the end if He cannot see it?

If God knows enough about it to declare the end while still at the beginning, I think you underestimate God.

 

[Van]

How does God know that He is the beginning and the end if He cannot see it?

If God knows enough about it to declare the end while still at the beginning, I think you underestimate God.

Apparently you do no grasp the truth from scripture. Time travel theology and Crystal Ball theology are false doctrines, held by those either duped or demonic.

God knows that no plan of His can be thwarted by humans. So when He says something in the future will happen, i.e. when He declares the end circumstance beforehand, from the beginning, He knows He will cause that end, that circumstance to occur.

 

[Ben1445]

Apparently you do no grasp the truth from scripture. Time travel theology and Crystal Ball theology are false doctrines, held by those either duped or demonic.

God knows that no plan of His can be thwarted by humans. So when He says something in the future will happen, i.e. when He declares the end circumstance beforehand, from the beginning, He knows He will cause that end, that circumstance to occur.

Apparently you don’t believe that God is able to see the future.

You may mock God’s ability to see the future, by calling it a crystal ball. But you are attributing to God the limitations of men.

I can also say of you that you do not grasp the truths of Scripture, but that doesn’t help the discussion. It is a personal attack against my intellect and not relevant to the discussion. Once more you address me and not the subject matter, you just call me duped or demonic. WOW!! Way to accelerate the conversation.

Since you are in the minority with this opinion, would you care to expound on why God doesn’t know what is going to happen in the future but for His determination.

Now Van appears to be a determinist.

 

[Van]

Apparently you don’t believe that God is able to see the future.

You may mock God’s ability to see the future, by calling it a crystal ball. But you are attributing to God the limitations of men.

I can also say of you that you do not grasp the truths of Scripture, but that doesn’t help the discussion. It is a personal attack against my intellect and not relevant to the discussion. Once more you address me and not the subject matter, you just call me duped or demonic. WOW!! Way to accelerate the conversation.

Since you are in the minority with this opinion, would you care to expound on why God doesn’t know what is going to happen in the future but for His determination.

Now Van appears to be a determinist.

Give me a break.

Did I say God is not able to see the future? Nope. So you make up a falsehood and apply it to me. You do not behave like an honest broker.

Do I mock God, or do I honor God by holding to what He tells us, and do not add the conjecture of people.

Of course I do not grasp every truth in scripture. So what, I am NOT a prophet. The issue is the truth concerning how God says He declares the end from the beginning. You have offered nothing but ad homenims.

I said those who hold to time travel theology and crystal ball theology are either duped or demonic. I did NOT attribute that condition to you, unless you hold to those obviously false doctrines.

Lastly you charge me with another subject changing charge.

God knows that no plan of His can be thwarted by humans. So when He says something in the future will happen, i.e. when He declares the end circumstance beforehand, from the beginning, He knows He will cause that end, that circumstance to occur. So He knows the future that He will cause.

Again, folks, the doctrine I espouse is called "Inherent Omniscience." God can know whatever He chooses to know, but He can choose not to know things, such as forgiven sins. This view contrasts with the dark ages view that God's omniscience was total, everything imaginable. However this second view is not supported by scripture.

 

[Van]

Definitions from the Internet:

• inherent omniscience the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known

and

• total omniscience actually knowing everything that can be known.

Some modern theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures.[1] Certain theologians of the sixteenth century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, chose to rebuke created beings' ability to choose freely, and so embraced the doctrine of predestination.

 

[Ben1445]

You have offered nothing but ad homenims.

Says the pot to the mirror.

 

[Ben1445]

Give me a break.

Did I say God is not able to see the future? Nope. So you make up a falsehood and apply it to me. You do not behave like an honest broker.

Do I mock God, or do I honor God by holding to what He tells us, and do not add the conjecture of people.

Of course I do not grasp every truth in scripture. So what, I am NOT a prophet. The issue is the truth concerning how God says He declares the end from the beginning. You have offered nothing but ad homenims.

I said those who hold to time travel theology and crystal ball theology are either duped or demonic. I did NOT attribute that condition to you, unless you hold to those obviously false doctrines.

Lastly you charge me with another subject changing charge.

God knows that no plan of His can be thwarted by humans. So when He says something in the future will happen, i.e. when He declares the end circumstance beforehand, from the beginning, He knows He will cause that end, that circumstance to occur. So He knows the future that He will cause.

Again, folks, the doctrine I espouse is called "Inherent Omniscience." God can know whatever He chooses to know, but He can choose not to know things, such as forgiven sins. This view contrasts with the dark ages view that God's omniscience was total, everything imaginable. However this second view is not supported by scripture.

God can choose to know what ever He wants to is nothing more than selective crystal ball theology. You have just made it palatable to your own doctrine and you don’t call it what you don’t like to call it. But it is the same thing just part time omniscience instead of selective forgiveness and forgetting.

 

[Van]

God can choose to know what ever He wants to is nothing more than selective crystal ball theology. You have just made it palatable to your own doctrine and you don’t call it what you don’t like to call it. But it is the same thing just part time omniscience instead of selective forgiveness and forgetting.

Good grief, instead of questioning me, try supporting your false doctrine from scripture. Either God can forgive and forget, as stated in scripture, or God must know everything imaginable, as stated in crystal ball theology. Take your pick.

 

[Van]

Says the pot to the mirror.

Good grief, instead of questioning me, try supporting your false doctrine from scripture. Either God can forgive and forget, as stated in scripture, or God must know everything imaginable, as stated in crystal ball theology. Take your pick.