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If we use your test: obedience for a test of salvation, then testing by the overall demeanor of your posts on this board you would fail the test of your own salvation. Wouldn't you agree?

 

A person wakes up in the morning; they are over-tired and don't "feel like" going to work. But they put their feelings aside and go to work anyway. They don't run their lives by their feelings. They can't. It would end up in disaster.
Spiritually, the same thing would happen. What happens if you wake up in the morning and you "don't feel like you are saved." Does that mean you are not saved?

When I was saved I put my faith and trust in him as my Savior and Lord. I was saved by faith and faith alone. There was no acts of obedience involved for faith is not a work.

Of course. I obey Jesus because I am saved, not in order to be saved, or in order to remain saved. I obey him out of love, and because the Spirit that dwells within me bears witness with my spirit that I am a child of God. That impels me to obey him. It is not out of duty; but love.

Your posts continue to reflect that you do not understand what faith is.
As I said, I was saved by faith and faith alone. That is not what the RCC teaches. They teach that one is saved by works, and so do you. So your teaching is very much like the RCC. Faith has an object. The object of my faith is in Christ and his atoning work on the cross, not in the RCC church. The object of your faith is in Christ plus works. That takes away from the finished work of Christ. You think you must do works in order to be saved, when Christ clearly said, concerning the work of salvation, "It is finished." Why don't you believe that? Salvation is by grace through faith and not of works--any kind of works.

The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life from Jesus Christ our Lord.
Saved from the penalty of sin--eternal separation from God.

1. My salvation can never be thrown out.
Jesus said: My sheep hear my voice and I know them. I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish.
Was Christ lying? You seem to think he was a liar.
2. I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
How can I be cut off if Jesus is keeping my salvation?
Is Paul lying here; is he too a liar?
3. My name has been written in the book of life since the foundation of the world and can never be blotted out.
--There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus--none!
Why don't you believe the promises of God? Are they not good enough for you?

Then they didn't transform you; you were only reformed not regenerated.
A person that was transformed and regenerated was regenerated by the Holy Spirit not by works.

Change doesn't come simply by obeying. If that were true the RCC's would have a good case.
Change comes from the Holy Spirit working through his word.

Jesus talked of eating only when he talked of the bread of life. The bread of life is likened to his Word. His Words are life. That is not obedience. That is belief in Christ through his word.

 

My beliefs are not threatened. Biblicist listed quite a large post of quotes made by you directly addressed to me, ungodly accusations. According to the test of salvation that you put forth, do you pass?

 

Unless a person is "impassive" (without emotions) all people have emotions. They can put their emotions aside, but not "erase" them. IOW you can control your anger. You don't have to express it on this board by calling people names; you can write "in grace" as the rules state. In the same way a parent can control his anger and frustration when a child disobeys. That doesn't mean the potential to become angry disappears.

All emotions come from the heart. Even Jesus said that.
Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

If a person runs their life by their feelings they will end up in disaster. That is fact. Take the example of Christ. When he cleansed the Temple, did he lose his temper? Absolutely not! He emotions were 100% under control. He knew what he was doing at all times. It was a righteous anger or indignation. It is said: "The zeal of my house hath eaten me up." Jesus did not lose his temper. He did things authoritatively, and methodically. He had the power to do what he did.
That is unlike a parent out of control who takes a child who has done wrong, and in his anger beats him, thinking that it is good discipline. Spankings may be ok, but only if done in love, and not when in anger.
If a person sleeps in because he is lazy and gives in to the feeling of ease and comfort he soon will not have a job and his life will end up disastrously.

It is an important subject. We don't run our lives by our feelings. Paul was stoned and left for dead. I wonder if he felt joyous and "saved." It didn't matter how he felt. He knew he was saved. He got up from under the stones, and encouraged the others to continue the journey. We live for Christ in spite of how we feel.

The object of my faith is now Christ, not the RCC. For you to even ask that question demonstrates to me that you have no knowledge of what faith is.

No, here is what the Word of God says:
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
--Paul served out of love. It was the love of Christ that constrained him to obey Christ. It was his faith in Christ. But again, you show a lack of understanding in "faith."

The RCC teaches faith plus works save. That is what you believe.

I did, when I believed in Christ alone, by faith alone. But that wasn't in the Catholic Church. And it is not what the RCC teaches.

That is true.

Even Jesus says salvation is by faith alone. I gave you Scriptures that demonstrate that. But you come along with a false gospel saying they must believe and obey to be saved. That is a denial of the work of Christ.

Jesus said: I came not to call the righteous to repentance but sinners.
He came to save the lost, those who had never even heard of the OT law and sacrificial system. Everything you said is entirely moot. He nailed our sins to the cross as well. That is why they are all forgiven. "It is finished." Salvation is finished. That is what is finished.

"Oh, taste and see that the Lord is good."
He is speaking of his word.

The word is speaking of sanctification in that verse. Christ has already paid the price for my salvation--all of it. To think any less would be blasphemous; it would be saying that the blood of Christ is insufficient to pay the penalty for all my sins, not just some of them.

You can learn from the experiences of others.

What a ridiculous statement to make.
Jesus said: "They shall never perish"
That is a promise; not a command to obey.

Never did Jesus say that one has to obey in order to be saved. Never!!

Where? Give proper context.

Quote the verse and give proper context.

Yes, but I am glad to see you admit that you have a sin nature, for that is what it refers to. When one walks after the flesh, the desires of their sin nature they will still have eternal life, though their fellowship with the Lord may be broken.

Show me where the Bible says that, and I will show you where you are taking Scripture out of context.

The word "regenerated" or regeneration is used only once and that is in Titus 3:5. A synonym for regeneration is the "new birth," or to be born from above. That is when regeneration happens. Jesus describes that in John 3. When a person is born again, he is given a new life in Christ. It is not just reformation; it is regeneration; a new life in Christ not a reformed life.

Then so do you, for you preach the same message of faith and works.

Obedience comes through the working of the Holy Spirit in a believer.
Again, there is no command in the Scripture for an unsaved person to obey in order to be saved.

Oh taste and see that the Lord is good. Read and meditate on his word, and allow the Holy Spirit to speak to you through his word.

 

Your question was:

They put their feelings aside you say, did they put their feelings aside and now have none, or did they replace those bad feelings with something else?

I gave you an adequate answer. One can put their feeling aside, control it, but not erase it. Only those people that are labeled "impassive" are void of emotions.

What are you talking about? Man is an emotional being. We all have emotions, just as Jesus said and demonstrated. But you can't run your life by your emotions. You are not saved by emotions.

Read over the post Biblicist made for you where he gathered together all the false accusations and name-calling you had made, and that was only against me and not against others. They were ungodly, made either in anger or frustration or both. Out of your emotions you posted, posted at times very angry things. They were not just rebukes. It is not a rebuke to tell a person "I have confirmation you are not saved." Those are the type of posts, when done often enough, get a person banned. There is no excuse for it.

That is not what childish name-calling is.

It doesn't matter where you think they originate from. I never denied they don't come from the heart. That is not relevant. Emotions are not required to be saved. Many emotions are sinful: anger, lust, hate, etc. Jesus says they come from the heart, and Paul says they are the works of the flesh. Both are true. You depend upon your emotions and your life will end in disaster.

It doesn't matter where you think they originate from. If you run your life by your feelings your life will end up in disaster. Our lives must be based on the Word of God and our faith in Christ, not in our unstable emotions. If a person is emotionally unstable and runs her life by her emotions what will happen to her? And what happens to those who are impassive and incapable of showing no emotion? Please answer those last two questions.

1. Your posts reveal that you don't know what Biblical faith is.
2. The Bible says:
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
--Do you believe the Bible?
3. What I learned of the Bible I did not learn in the RCC. That is a false allegation.
--Again, what you say about belief and the RCC demonstrates that you know nothing of Biblical faith.

Then don't post in ignorance. Do you believe that Obama is President? He is, isn't he? You believe. Therefore Obama saved you. This is your logic. You don't know what "faith" is. Admit it. Salvation is by faith and faith alone; but it is not faith in Obama, and it is not faith in the RCC. Can you understand that?

Are you without understanding. I said the love of Christ constrains us to obey. I obey out of love for Christ, not because obedience is required to keep my salvation. The Bible doesn't teach that.

Paul recognizes the judgment seat of Christ. That does not negate the love of Christ in verse 14.

That is a heretical statement, or at the very least directly contrary to the teaching of the Bible.
Here is what the Bible teaches on love:

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Obedience results from love. You have it backwards, and that is wrong. In fact it is the teaching of a cult.

Obedience comes from love. Notice that the love comes from the heart.
Peter's statement did not end there. It continues in verse 23:
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Neither love nor obedience can be possible without the new birth.

They teach faith plus works, and so do you. It is a common heresy.

I never said that. Why are you lying and putting words in my mouth that I never said.

Here is another post that simply demonstrates that you are ignorant about "faith." Have you never learned what Biblical faith is?
First, Catholics think that they are saved by faith plus works (like you), but the truth is no one can be saved that. The Bible says that one is saved "by grace through faith and that not of works."
Second, I do believe in eternal security. What makes you think I don't.

 

That is a weak argument. It doesn't have to say "alone" to have that particular meaning. For example:
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
--One is justified by faith alone. You cannot add anything to faith.

What blasphemy! You don't believe that the blood of Christ was sufficient enough to pay the penalty for our sins. This is unbelievable!

"O, taste and see that the Lord is good."
Spend time in his Word, and you will find out.

If you have to obey to be saved, then in essence you spit in the face of Jesus and tell him that He was not good enough to save you from your sins. In your obedience and works you had to help him suffer and shed his blood, because he couldn't do it by himself. So, tell me, what part did you play in dying on the cross?

My sins are blotted out. I obey out of love and gratefulness, not because I have to.

I quoted Scripture:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

You said: That means they have to obey.

I said: That's ridiculous.
A promise, "they shall never perish" is not a command to obey. It is a promise that they will never perish. It is not talking of obedience at all; it was a ridiculous statement to make.

So? non sequitor. What has that got to do with the promise of John 10:27,28, and the discussion pertaining to it?

Why do you lie. Here are the exact words of my post that you are answering to:

Never did Jesus say that one has to obey in order to be saved. Never!!

You have deliberately misrepresented what I have said.
Why?

 

Well, it you are a legalist, I guess you have to try and do that.

But for those of us who understand living in the grace of God, we will be enjoying what is known as living in the goodness of "Resurrection life".

That is...allowing Christ to live HIS life through...us!

Praise God!

 

No, he is stating here that a Christian has been freed from keeping the law of God as a duty/burden, instead, we can live in the power of the Holy Spirit and stay in the word and fellowship with God and the bethren, and the natural fruit of that WILL be obeyingHGod and keeping from sinning!

 

Your lame arguments you have learned well from the Catholics.
Have you never studied the English language or any other language, nor learned any grammar? One does not have to use the word "only" to convey the same idea.
Suppose: (These facts are not true of my family, they are for illustrative purposes only) Suppose:
I have 7 children, six of whom are sons.
What do you conclude:
Do I have one daughter? Or do I ONLY have one daughter? Is the word "only" necessary? No, it isn't, but that is the way that you arguing this case.
Suppose the daughter's name is "Jane."
Out of seven children which child would be named "Jane"?
Would the daughter be named "Jane", or Only the daughter be named "Jane"? You think that the word "Only" is required to put forth a truth, whereas it is not.

The same is true in Romans 5:1
Romans 5:1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
--The word "only" is implicit in the meaning. justified by "faith alone." It is not needed. It is there in the meaning of the verse. If anything were to be added it would have said so. But you argue like a cult, like the RCC does.

He nailed our sins to the cross. He died for the penalty of our sins. He shed his blood for the totality of the sins of mankind.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
--the most famous verse in all the Bible, and you don't believe it. Unbelievable!
He died for all our sins, everyone of them. Only after a person "believes on him" is he required to obey, for then is he a Christian. An unbeliever does not even know how to obey the Lord.

An unsaved person cannot understand the Word of God. The verses you quoted have nothing to do with a person's salvation. They must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ first. Salvation is by faith and faith alone. Understanding the Word does not come before salvation. It comes after salvation.

If Jesus did not need anyone's help to pay for our sins, why do you keep inferring that he did. You say that faith plus works are needed to be saved. Therefore the work of Jesus was not enough. Your works were needed to help him out. You haven't addressed that problem yet.

Jesus chooses who he wants to be saved. That is what the Calvinist says. Have you changed your position?
Jesus chooses those who believe on him by faith; those who accept him as their personal savior. Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

This verse is speaking of Christ. Do you know that?
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
--He learned obedience as he grew to maturity. That is what the word "perfect" means: "mature," "complete." He became the author of our salvation. Salvation is to them that believe in him. As he learned obedience he is our example. As he learned obedience we are to learn obedience (as believers), also. The word "unto" can also be translated "for". He is the example of obedience for us. Obedience does not gain salvation for us.

But what does that have to do with the promise given in John 10:27,28? You keep avoiding that verse, and like a J.W., jump to another verse. Deal with the Scripture given to you.

Again this is your answer to John 10:27,28. It has nothing to do with the verse. Deal with the text, the promise of eternal life, that they will never perish.

"Which ever believer" He is speaking to believers. He is speaking to his disciples. You have taken this verse way out of context.
Here are my words again. Why can't you give an adequate answer?

Why do you lie. Here are the exact words of my post that you are answering to:

Never did Jesus say that one has to obey in order to be saved. Never!!

You have deliberately misrepresented what I have said.
Why?

 

We live in the goodness of Christ living His life... through us.

It begins by resting in Christs sufficency. As we trust Him more and more, He begins to live HIS life..THROUGH us. Its a beautiful thing.

From the scriptures....

Its a wonderfull way to live.