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I have a word of prophesy

Some time in the future you, or someone you know, will become ill, and despire your prayers, and their prayers, God will not heal them. They may in fact die from this illness. You will be left either be frustrated with yourself and them for not having enough faith...or did not ask God for healing...or conclude that it was God's will to use that illness to bring them home to himself, or to help them be able to identify with other suffering people.

 

According the Sovereign Will/Plan/purpose of God!

IF it is the will of the father, than those asking to receive a healing will be gravted it, by He still chooses the methods to emply...

Divine healing/medicine/surgery/death/ or not until death!

 

Just answer the question. I don't have the time to go back and hunt for posts. And while your at it, here is another question for you to answer:

Is it God's will for all to live a prosperous life? Yes or no.

 

He would have a hard time getting this in say Hebrews hall of faith, or else the life of the Apostles of Christ, especially paul!

 

I hear they all had good retirement plans too:

[FONT=&quot]Tradition holds that the Apostles died in the following manner: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew suffered martyrdom by being slain with a sword at a distant city of Ethiopia. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mark expired at Alexandria, after being cruelly dragged through the streets of that city. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke was hanged upon an olive tree in the classic land of Greece. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John was afterward banished to Patmos. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downward. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]James, the Greater, was beheaded at Jerusalem.
James, the Less, was thrown from a lofty pinnacle of the temple, and then beaten to death with a fuller's club. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bartholomew was flayed alive. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Andrew was bound to a cross, whence he preached to his persecutors until he died. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Thomas was run through the body with a lance at Coromandel in the East Indies.
Jude was shot to death with arrows. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthais was first stoned and then beheaded. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Barnabas of the Gentiles was stoned to death at Salonica. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Paul, after various tortures and persecutions, was at length beheaded at Rome by the Emperor Nero.[/FONT]

 

You never answered post #37. That post had a lot in it.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1909050&postcount=37
You never gave an answer to this, the central theme of most of this thread:

Please respond to your own statement here where you said:

Is this really true. In light of what I just posted concerning the lives and deaths of the apostles, in light of the lives of those in Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, Iraq, Pakistan, and so many other third world nations, do all these people (Christians or not) have their needs met and and enough left over to give to others?

How big is the city that you live in? Have you ever worked at a homeless shelter, or a mission located in the downtown area of a city that caters to the drunks, drug addicts, homeless, etc. Can you empathize with their problems? It is obvious you haven't been out of your own nation.

 

Paul's paths crossed many times with Timothy. Timothy was his disciple; the pastor of Ephesus, someone he saw frequently. He wrote that in the first epistle to Timothy. Timothy would come to see him before he would be tried, and would bring to him his books, parchments and cloak. If he could be healed; if it were God's will for him to be healed, Paul could have done it. But he didn't. As for him having more than one sickness that is a moot point. Whether the ailment be one or five, God is able to heal us of all our diseases, isn't he? Or do you believe God is just limited to healing one disease per person? Does he ration out his healings?

Paul could not heal Timothy, nor a number of others. Why?
1. Because it was not God's will, and is not God's will for all to be healed.
2. Because the gift of healing was fading out by this time. This epistle was written ca. 62 A.D.
3. Because it was God's will that Timothy have this affliction (probably dysentery due to unclean water--common in those parts of the world, also which grape juice is a very good remedy.)

 

I answered this already. I reject this explanation. I told you that. Paul specifically says that he wrote in LARGE LETTERS. That is what the meaning is; not a long epistle, for it wasn't--it was a shorter one. He wrote in large letters. Period. It was due to his pure eyesight which virtually every commentator will tell you.

You didn't read my post did you. I pointed this out to you already. His bodily ailment that he refers to is his eyesight, the very reason why he writes in large letters.

Read carefully. Paul was stoned. He was left for dead. As his apostles were wondering what to do, Paul got up from under that pile of stones, and basically told them--what are you waiting for boys, let's go.
It was a miracle. It was as if God raised him from the dead. He should have been dead. Yet, the disciples, pretty much convinced that he was dead, were shocked when he got up, and apparently perfectly healthy to take a long trek by foot, without ever missing a step. How do you account for all of that, unless it were entirely of the grace of God preserving miraculously Paul's life. The same type of stoning killed Stephen.

Paul's eye condition was not a result of this. 2Cor.12 specifically says that God gave it to him, or allowed Satan to inflict it upon him to keep him humble (lest he be exalted above measure).

There were three ages of miracles:
1. During the time of Moses--when revelation was being written.
2. During the time of Elijah and Elisha, representative of the prophets--when revelation was being written.
3. During the time of Christ and the Apostles--when revelation was being written.

The age of miracles has ceased. There is no more need of them.
The apostolic age has ceased. The age of miracles has ceased.

 

What a cruel answer. You are one of the most cruel people I have met. You toss those people in the trash and assume they are not spiritual because they do not prosper. 90% of the world is in that condition and do not have access to the wealth you do. It has nothing to do with "Christ giving it all at the cross." Get right with God! Start living in the real world and get out of your fantasy world!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Well said! The prosperity gospel becomes ridiculous when one visits a third world country and sees faithful--but extremely poor Christians there. I remember a faithful Christian family in one country who were delighted with their new appliance--their first ever tiny little refrigerator. Extremely poor--but joyful in the Lord.

 

The reason Christianity won over other religions (besides the fact that the true God is at the center) is that it does offer hope to the down trodden, the poor, etc. I love to hear Dr. Fowler talk about the great reversals pictured in Luke, where Jesus ignores the traditions of the religious and goes after those they despise or ignore.

 

No, sir, you are dead wrong. God denied Paul healing as you should well know. 2 Corinthians 12:7 (HCSB)
7 especially because of the extraordinary revelations. Therefore, so that I would not exalt myself, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to torment me so I would not exalt myself.
2 Corinthians 12:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Concerning this, I pleaded with the Lord three times to take it away from me.
9 But He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Therefore, I will most gladly boast all the more about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may reside in me.

You don't realize that God uses negative situations in our life to bring Him glory. You preach a prosperity gospel that is despicable, imo. I have seen your kind come into a hospital that I worked at and tell sick people it was their fault they were sick, that they could be healed if they had enough faith. I am talking about people dying of cancer. Security had to have them removed before the family beat the devil out of them. That, sir, is insidious.

God chastises every son He receives, and if you have not been corrected by God, then you are a bastard and not a son according to Hebrews. How does God chastise? However He wants. He could send sickness, take away wealth, our joy, etc. You need to grow up and realize that your ways are not God's ways. To hear you tell how a Christian life is supposed to happen, Paul must have been the worst Christian of us all. Listen at what happened to him:
2 Corinthians 11:23-31 (HCSB)
23 Are they servants of Christ? I’m talking like a madman—I’m a better one: with far more labors, many more imprisonments, far worse beatings, near death many times.
24 Five times I received 39 lashes from Jews.
25 Three times I was beaten with rods ⌊by the Romans⌋. Once I was stoned ⌊by my enemies⌋. Three times I was shipwrecked. I have spent a night and a day in the open sea.
26 On frequent journeys, ⌊I faced⌋ dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my own people, dangers from the Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the open country, dangers on the sea, and dangers among false brothers;
27 labor and hardship, many sleepless nights, hunger and thirst, often without food, cold, and lacking clothing.
28 Not to mention other things, there is the daily pressure on me: my care for all the churches.
29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation?
30 If boasting is necessary, I will boast about my weaknesses.
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is praised forever, knows I am not lying.
Paul went hungry, thirsty, and lacked clothing, and he was the best Christian we have ever read about and you and I aren't worthy to wash his feet, yet by your despicable religious, holier than thou attitude, you would make him out of the will of God during these situations.

God takes us through all things, but doesn't always deliver us from them