Featured The gospel has nothing to do with God's covenant

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Yes. I hold that scripture teaches a very ,very strong...local church view.

Not quite trail of blood, not landmarkism, but as close as you can get without stepping over the line.

The only time their will be one universal assembly or gathered church is on the last day...when all saints from all time assemble.

 

I believe this description of the vindication of the Servant of The Lord speaks of Jesus ,the elect servant,being sent of the Father in fulfillment of the Covenant of Redemption.

Adam having sinned cast all into the realm of death ,Israel haven been elected of God to receive and preserve the word of the promise of the Covenant. They failed except for an elect remnant preserved by God.

The servant has been prepared by God to accomplish His mission:

I understand this as The Servant brings the elect remnant and those elect gentiles into the New Covenant as one new man, Just like thge language of psalm 22....the people resist,the servant prays His case to the Father. the father vindicates the Son,and the gospel goes worldwide:
22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.

29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.....


So in the same way...

Jesus in His incarnation and cross work...brings in the acceptable time,,this is the same languge from Lk 4 quotes from Isa 61

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;


In Christ..the Covenant of grace is extended worldwide.
Paul writes of this in 2 cor 6.....It is not allegorial ,but biblical theolgy.

Now is the day of salvation.It is fulfilled and going worldwide as instructed in the great commission.

Others have seen it way before me;

 

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II. The blessings he has in store for all those to whom he is made salvation.
1. God will own and stand by him in his undertaking (Isaiah 49:8): In an acceptable time have I heard thee, that is, I will hear thee. Christ, in the days of his flesh, offered up strong cries, and was heard, Hebrews 5:7. He knew that the Father heard him always (John 11:42), heard him for himself (for, though the cup might not pass from him, yet he was enabled to drink it), heard him for all that are his, and therefore he interceded for them as one having authority. Father, I will, John 17:24. All our happiness results from the Son's interest in the Father and the prevalency of his intercession, that he always heard him and this makes the gospel time an acceptable time, welcome to us, because we are accepted of God, both reconciled and recommended to him, that God hears the Redeemer for us, Hebrews 7:25. Nor will he hear him only, but help him to go through with his undertaking. The Father was always with him at his right hand, and did not leave him when his disciples did. Violent attacks were made upon our Lord Jesus by the powers of darkness, when it was their hour, to drive him off from his undertakings, but God promises to preserve him and enable him to persevere in it on that one stone were seven eyes, Zechariah 3:9. God would preserve him, would preserve his interest, his kingdom among men, though fought against on all sides. Christ is preserved while Christianity is.
2. God will authorize him to apply to his church the benefits of the redemption he is to work out. God's preserving and helping him was to make the day of his gospel a day of salvation. And so the apostle understands it: Behold, now is the day of salvation, now the word of reconciliation by Christ is preached, 2*Corinthians 6:2.
(1.) He shall be guarantee of the treaty of peace between God and man: I will give thee for a covenant of the people. This we had before (Isaiah 42:6), and it is here repeated as faithful, and well worthy of all acceptation and observation. He is given for a covenant, that is, for a pledge of all the blessings of the covenant. It was in him that God was reconciling the world to himself and he that spared not his own Son will deny us nothing. He is given for a covenant, not only as he is the Mediator of the covenant, the blessed days-man who has laid his hand upon us both, but as he is all in all in the covenant. All the duty of the covenant is summed up in our being his and all the privilege and happiness of the covenant are summed up in his being ours.
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Isaiah 49:8




Isaiah 49:8
Thus saith the Lord
These are the words of God the Father to his Son continued; the Jews themselves interpret them of the Messiah {z}: in an acceptable time have I heard thee:
this was the time when Christ was here on earth, when he became incarnate, and suffered and died for his people: this was an acceptable time to God the Father; his very sufferings were acceptable; his sacrifice was of a sweet smelling savour; his righteousness was well pleasing to him; for by all this his perfections were glorified, his purposes were answered, his covenant and promises fulfilled, and his people saved: it was acceptable to men, the things that were now done and procured; as pardon of sin, peace and reconciliation, a justifying righteousness, and complete salvation; which is worthy the acceptation of all that are lost and undone, and see themselves so, and that nothing they can do will save them: or "in a time of good will" F1; such was the time of Christ's first coming; it was good will to men, ( Luke 2:14 ) . God showed his good will to men by the Person whom he sent to save them, his own, only, and beloved Son; and by sending him to save sinners, the chief of sinners, even enemies; and this time was fixed and settled by the good will and pleasure of God; and during this time the Lord heard Christ; he always heard him interceding for himself, and for his people; he heard him in the garden, and on the cross, and at all other times; see ( Hebrews 5:7 ) and in a day of salvation have I helped thee;
at the time when he wrought out the salvation of his people, then he helped him in it, and through it, as he promised him, and as Christ believed he would, ( Isaiah 42:1 ) ( Isaiah 50:7 Isaiah 50:9 ) . This is to be understood of him as man and Mediator, and to show the greatness of the work of salvation, and the concern of God in it; otherwise, as Christ is the mighty God, he needed no help, and his own arm brought salvation to him: and I will preserve thee;
as he did from his enemies in life, in his infancy, and when grown up, that his life might not be taken away before his time; from being overcome by his enemies in the garden, and on the cross; from the power of death and the grave, by raising him up from thence; he preserved him to his kingdom and glory, and now retains him in heaven until the time of the restitution of all things; and will preserve his seed, and his throne, his cause, and interest, to the end of time: and give thee for a covenant of the people;
Jews and Gentiles, all that are given to him, and whom he redeems by his blood, whom the Spirit sanctifies, and applies the blessings and promises of the covenant to; which is to be understood of the covenant of grace: Christ is said to be given for it unto them, he being a covenantee in it; the representative of these people in it; the surety of it for them; the Mediator and messenger of it to them; and the ratifier and confirmer of it; and as he is the great blessing of it, the sum and substance of it; and as all the blessings and promises of it are in him; and this may respect the constitution of the covenant from everlasting, and the manifestation of it in time; and this is a gift of God honourable to Christ, of free grace to his people, very comprehensive and unspeakable. Kimchi says this refers to the times of the Messiah: and the end of all this is to establish the earth;
not the land of Judea, but the whole earth; which, were it not for Christ, and his covenant and suretyship engagements for his people, and for the sake of them, and their salvation, would long ago have been dissolved and broke to pieces; but he bears up the pillars of it; and, when he has gathered in all his people, will destroy it: or the end in his being given for a covenant was to "raise up" the fallen inhabitants of the earth, for so the word


Matthew Henry

 

DHK
Read John 1:11

The King came to Zion.....the triumphal entry,He offered the Kingdom

[quote\So ...if Jesus is the true Israel the true Covenant Son.....you would believe as I do, correct??? If we could find a verse that mentions the new covenant promise to be made to Israel and Judah,and gentiles at the same time....You would believe as i do correct![/quote]
Jesus Christ is God, the second person of the triune Godhead, the Creator of the universe, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, and much, much more. To downgrade him as an allegorical "true Israel," is shameful.

Isa 49 settles the question...Isa 54 is icing on the cake
54 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the Lord.

2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;

3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

From my point of view, it is you who are having trouble with it.

Understanding that Jesus has now made The Christian Israel solves The issue, you deny it so you cannot see it.

Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

The physical nation of Israel is completely secular...christian Israel [the church] is spiritual and growing .
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you are fawning over national Israel,not me.They are ungodly.
Salvation is In Christ jew or gentile one new man.

God preserves the Israel of God.

This is now...right now

Yes...Jesus rules right now from the heavenly Zion and Jerusalem..in the midst of His enemies:
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies

I am In Christ..the seed of Abraham.The covenant made with Him is mine in Him.

 

Tim Lahaye:laugh::laugh: instead of Matthew Henry lol.

Gill was not a hyper.

DHK....do not look at the men...look at the scripture they offer.

 

DHK,

DHK....I have offered several verses about the gentiles being grafted in to the promises......The promises are covenant promises.... in eph 2...gentiles were at one time non covenant people....but now they are the Covenant people along side the elect remnant from the jewish people...
here it is in Romans-

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Hint.....those who were not my people[non covenant gentiles]
are going to be called[my people] this is covenant language.

 

DHK,

I have never seen anyone confuse Matthew Henry with the writing of Ellen G White.

And as Mt.Henry is not speaking about infant sprinkling in this PASSAGE what do you think of what verses he offered? Look at the teaching offered ,not the person.

 

DHK,

So....Bottom line is you do not want to be teachable,but just hold what you do.
Has it ever dawned on you that perhaps the Presbyterians you rail against might have studied the bible also?
Are you saying you can not learn from a Christian who is Presbyterian?
Do you believe they are christians?

So you are saying that what I offered is not biblical language for the people in covenant relation to God?

Scripture describes the covenant as a loving relationship of close communion between God and us. Scripture teaches this clearly, so that there is no excuse for the errors, the confusion, and the ignorance concerning the covenant on the part of many Christians and churches. First, in virtually every passage where the covenant is on the foreground, especially, where there is a new, progressive development of the covenant, the same words occur. They are the words, “I will be your God, and you will be my people.” By these words, God reveals to us what the covenant is, the nature of the covenant. They are found in Genesis 17:7 , where God establishes the covenant with Abraham; in the preface to the ten commandments, by which God established the covenant with Israel as a nation, in Exodus 20:2 ; in Jeremiah 31:33 , where God promised the new covenant with Israel and Judah; and in Revelation 21:3, where John saw the new creation and the glorified church in the day of Christ.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Lets take a look.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

the heathen were non covenant people, but were grafted into these covenant promises...that is what Hosea is talking about.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


What did God make with Abraham and His seed?...was it a Covenant??? is that biblical language?

 

DHK

DHK......I understood your example. No one wants you to become Presbyterian.Just to see truth here.

I answered you quite well actually.A few paragraphs to look over is not too much to ask is it?

Your responses ignored the scripture I posted and were non responses.

Phillipians was written addressing unity problems.Ephesians to reveal God's eternal purpose.eph3:9-11.

You completely ignore the Covenant language of Hosea Paul quotes as well as Peter..
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.

7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.

9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.

10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

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DHK///Your Dispensational leanings Does not let you see What others see .You want biblical language, i offer it....and now You say i bounce like a JW?

I did not sign up to do a verse by verse commentary for every book,everytime i offer a section of a book.

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That is the Dispensational teaching....Paul quotes the passage.....you say partial ...I would say fully.

Because a careful study of Isa 40-66 shows it includes the gentiles to the covenant promises...Paul quotes from Isa.17 times in romans 9-15...:thumbs:

God's covenant was made within the Godhead,and given to all those In Christ...before the world was:

Evidently you did not read when I posted to you about Pauls use of tecnon

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9 For this is the word of promise,


4 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.



I will stand by my posts.You might not want to look , but maybe others will read and see what I see.

 

saturneptune;



As we speak there are several men that I know that work at showing a Baptist Covenant theology.....several recent books are in print....using some of the Particular Baptist writings and some plain biblical scholarship

http://www.monergismbooks.com/Coven...ic-Perspective-on-Gods-Covenants-p-20205.html

The book shows how we can agree in many places and yet also why we differ.

I have no doubt you sadly observed this years ago.Anytime any church departs from the scriptural instruction and substitutes the flesh it cannot go well for that church.....the blessing of God departs.

Because of their theology and the roots of the reformers,and puritans focused on these truths ,much of the truth that is in print comes from those sources. We can agree on much and yet remain separate as a baptists.

:wavey: Once I post things that you find objectionable,then everything I post you look at with a jaundiced eye.It happens more often than it should and we should be able to move on.From your responses I think you are reading to much into my intent.
My posts have a hard edge to them and others react or over react.
Some are in agreement. If we all agreed on everything there would be less
reason to post.

I will seek out truth wherever i find it.Years ago at a family bible conference I was able to hear Sinclair Ferguson preach 3 messages on the beatitudes that were outstanding. I will listen to the clerk at the grocery store if he has truth from scripture:thumbs:

On sermonaudio...I listen to all the men.I want to know why godly men differ.I want to know and understand their best position on the continuity of the covenant from Ot to NT. I want to know and be able to repeat accurately their position,and then show why as a reformed baptist I differ.

The same with Endtimes or DoG, or any area of theology.
In my recent discussion with DHK...he does not want to consider what Mattew Henry offers in His Commentary?

He is free to not read it, but I do not think that is the correct way to approach truth.