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Featured Pope Sanctions Gay Clergy!

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by DHK, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. Melanie

    Melanie Active Member
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    ....but they would need an income! Bob are you mad! ( rofl)
     
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    Believe it or not, I agree with you to a certain degree. Child molesters are scum in society in general, and no punishment is good enough for them. To put these monsters in a position of leadership in the Christian community is the height of evil and a direct slap in the face to a Holy God and His work.

    I do not think it does any good to differ based on denominations which group, whether it be Baptist, Catholic, or Presbyterian handles the situation better or worse. We should all as Christians be vigilant and united in ridding ourselves of these sick individuals. Some of the difference in how it is handled between the Catholic and Baptist church is due to the RCC being one organization, and the Baptist faith being a collection of local, autonomous churches.

    This is one issue there should be no arguing over.
     
  3. Alive in Christ

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    This was posted...



    Thats correct

    And that group is held in contempt by the other 99% of the baptists

    Nice try
     
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  4. DHK

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    With some it never stops. It always seems to be in the front pages of the news:

    Brazil priest breaks news of fatherhood during mass

    http://news.yahoo.com/brazil-priest-breaks-news-fatherhood-during-mass-205653855.html
     
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    1 Corinthians 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
     
  6. Matt Black

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    Er...no - major category alert. A homosexual is someone who is sexually attracted to a member of the same sex. No sin in that. The sin is in acting it out by engaging in same-sex acts. The Pope rightly condemns the latter but accepted the former. This is scarcely news; most evangelical Christians do the same.

    What's with the straw man?
     
  7. DHK

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    How many murders does it take to become a murderer?
    A man may spend the rest of his life, or even face the death penalty for just one murder in his lifetime. He is defined by his actions, not by the lack of them.

    How many times does a person have to commit homosexual acts before he is labeled "gay?"
    There is no such thing as "having a disposition to homosexuality." That is absurd. You either are one or you are not. You either, by choice, commit these acts or you don't.
    It is the same for a heterosexual man. He either is an adulterer or not.
    He chooses to commit this sin or he chooses to be faithful to his wife.
    He can't do both.

    Homosexuality is a choice. One is not born that way. It is a choice both in sin and in lifestyle. No one is born a homosexual or even with tendencies of being one. That is a liberal lie.

    The Bible labels it as sin. It labels every act of homosexuality of sin. It does not recognize "homosexual people" at all. It recognizes the sin, and condemns it.
     
  8. Matt Black

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    A man doesn't have to commit any homosexual acts to be labelled gay. How many times to I have to sleep with a woman before you classify me as heterosexual?
     
  9. DHK

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    God created Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve.
    When God created Adam He said that Adam was alone and needed a "help-meet," or a mate. All the animals passed before him, but there was no suitable mate found for Adam. God created a suitable mate for Adam. That mate was a WOMAN, not another man.
    For man to be heterosexual is the natural way that God intended it to be.
    Can homosexuals reproduce or procreate the earth, as God commanded them--be fruitful and populate the earth. That command has never been rescinded. Their acts are an abomination in God's sight and bring upon them God's condemnation. How can you justify them!
    Let me see you justify them through the Word of God.
     
  10. saturneptune

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    Since Catholic Clergy is asexual and does not marry, what difference does it make? They are not suppose to be involved in any type of sexual relationship.

    I really do wish though, that the Pope would come out on his balcony in a leopard skin speedo.
     
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    Do you mean punishment in this life or eternal punishment. I ask because there are those child molesters who have been forgiven in Christ.
     
  12. BobRyan

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    Not sure if you can hang the Pope simply because he is open to forgiving sinners.

    I have other complaints about the RCC in that regard - but that is not one of them.
     
  13. Matt Black

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    Yep. Newsflash though - there's this nasty thing called The Fall which has messed up the way God intended things to be. So now we have to deal with things like death, disease, people being nasty to each other and - yes - sinful sexual urges.
    I don't justify the acts at all. But a celibate individual with the temptation of same-sex attraction (what everyone else apart from you apparently calls a 'homosexual') who nevertheless, due to his/her repentance and faith in Jesus Christ doesn't act on those urges (or at least does their darnedest not to - which one of us hasn't fallen into temptation to sin from time to time?) is as deserving of forgiveness and salvation as you or I. That doesn't mean that s/he necessarily ceases to have those urges, anymore than someone in a wheelchair who comes to faith in Christ automatically leaps up and dances a polka (sometimes people are healed, more often they are not), but they are as saved as you or I.

    That's what the Pope was saying and I can find nothing wrong in that statement.
     
  14. DHK

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    People have as much as a tendency toward homosexuality as they do to murder.
    If people can get off the hook by "I was born a murderer" just as the homosexual says "I was born this way" then you might have a case.
    But it isn't so. Both choose to sin; sin against God's law; break God's law, etc. Both murder and homosexuality are not accepted lifestyles in the sight of God.
     
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    But that's not what we're talking about here. Acts can be sins, temptations and tendencies are not.
     
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    If so..considering that this is the Roman catholic cult...it wouldnt surprise me one bit.

    Par for the course.
     
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    Don't you agree that many people throughout history had "tendencies" to kill?
    How did "Bloody Mary" Queen of Tudor, get her name?
    Just a tendency to murder and kill, eh?
    The same goes for Innocent III. What a tendency to kill he had!!!
    He is all forgiven because he was born that way (just like a homosexual), right?
     
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    ....ah no he did NOT, the media fell upon it with gusto and twisted the words. The clergy take a VOW of celibacy which is NOT for wimps I might add.

    To break the vow is a thing I woupd not want to deal with at Judgement Day!

    Thank you for calling the RCC a cult, because it is of course....the head of the cult is the Lord Jesus Christ and I am happy to be a cultist of such a One. God bless you for your kindness!
     
  19. Matt Black

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    We're all born in sin. A homosexual is no different in that respect. We all have tendencies to sin - how many times have you felt anger in your heart to another person?
     
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    If the person making the vow is a child of God having been washed in the blood of the Lamb, that person will not need to deal with any sin come Judgment Day, breaking a vow would be considered a sin. This is the message from the Jesus Christ of the Holy Scriptures.

    Romans 8......"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit........"
     
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