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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Luke2427, Mar 25, 2014.

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  1. Amy.G

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    Where does scripture say that God is angry over a lack of college education?
     
  2. DHK

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    That depends what you define as "quality" and why you can't find that "quality" in a Christian organization. "Quality" in biology, for example, for some translates into godless atheistic evolution. I don't consider that "quality education."
    I don't understand how the passage quoted here has anything to do with to OP. Being all things to all men has to do with adapting to culture. Don't refuse spicy East Indian food if it is set before you when visiting a Hindu home that you are trying to reach for Christ. Don't offend needlessly.
    --OTOH, are you saying that a person cannot be educated unless they go to a godless institution of learning? That is a direct contradiction to Psalm 1:1.
    Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
    --Or are you saying that Christian universities and colleges are unable to educate the students that attend there? That is quite a judgment!
    There are many of our Christian colleges (like Maranatha BBC), [which is now Maranatha Baptist University] is fully accredited. No one is forced to go to an unaccredited Christian college for a Christian education.
    Again, accredited does not equate to secular.
    Since 2005 BJU has been accredited by the Transnational association of Christians colleges and schools.
    --On a side note I went to BJU for a Post-graduate degree which was in a different area of study than my undergraduate degree. Thus I had to take some extra undergraduate courses to make up the deficit. It was hard work. It wasn't an easy degree to obtain. In fact obtaining a degree from BJU was one of the most difficult degrees that I worked for.
    Why would he be right for it? Yes educated people will listed more to others who have education. Been there done that. But most of my education is from Christian colleges and universities. For the average Christian student, secular education is not needed, should not be necessary and should not be coveted. For many it has devastating effects.
    Then choose a different Christian college that makes you work harder. Do your homework before choosing what college you go to.
    There is not much meat in humanism, atheism, secularism, etc. to eat.
    Luke's OP was skewed from the beginning and didn't take in all the facts.
    It ignored some crucial data of the very groups he was attacking.
     
  3. Sapper Woody

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    From another thread:
    You are comparing the wrong numbers. You shouldn't compare the amount of private school grads vs total American grads. You have to take the percentage of home school/private schooled BAPTISTS, vs the percentage of BAPTISTS that don't have a recognized HS diploma. Unless you do this, your statistics are meaningless.

    You have to take the total number of baptists who don't have a recognized HS diploma, subtract the number of homeschooled/private schooled baptists, then divide it by the total number of baptists. Only then will you have a true, meaningful statistic. Until then, there's no reason for remorse or anger, or any reason to think there's a problem.
     
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    What I am saying, is that I am not a H.S. graduate, because the state refused to recognize my Bible classes as legitimate credits.

    What I am saying is, the same state recognized me, along with the Federal Gov., as having acheived more learning than any of their educated ones had acheived.

    It is anecdotal, and not submissible , testimonial; yet, nonetheless : effective.
     
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    You are the issue in this thread, sonny.

    But it's as I said. If God has anything to do with you, you'll learn, and you'll think back what I said and gnash your teeth over your foolishness.

    But God may not have anything to do with you other than as a thorn in the flesh. So, carry on for now.
     
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    Amy.G,

    I am surprised you haven't found it yet. It is in the good?-news according to Luke2427: Chapter 1, Verse 1! The remainder of the book provides commentary on Verse 1. Unfortunately, and this may be your problem, this book was not found among the earliest manuscripts and there is some reluctance among Evangelical and Pentecostal groups to use it because of suspected gnostic [as in gnosis] influence. There was also a secondary problem. The text was not koine Greek but seemed to be a combination of the geechee [gullah] and cajun dialects. However, translated into English it has been wildly welcomed by those high church folks like the Episcopalians and such!:thumbs::smilewinkgrin:
     
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    :laugh::thumbs:
     
  8. plain_n_simple

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    I'm thinking, we can begin to look at some fruit, or affects of these debates.

    I'm hoping that Luke can see that no matter how correct he feels he is, people are disgusted with his delivery, and have been, and are continually voicing it.
    He has only two choices when he realizes the negative reaction.

    Justify the arrogance with scripture, or repent his thinking and delivery.


    He may be right in a few points, maybe many, but the reader cannot receive it because it is a rude, ridiculing, arrogant delivery. We ALL do it.

    This is feedback from your readers Luke, even your friends say you are brash. We all get there when we forget love.

    I am hoping Luke (or any of us) will not defer to "that's the Holy Spirit making you mad" type of saying to justify lashing and cutting each other.

    Lets not use "expose darkness..."
    "rightly dividing the word..." and the others as "righteous attack verses" so quickly just yet okay?

    Our reactions to Luke 2427 are just as bad as his delivery.


    This is where we apply "though I have wisdom.....but have no love" verse.

    What does it profit the body or the kingdom that when you give counsel your brothers are walking away mad, offended, defensive, can't wait to get a stab in when someone misquotes?

    Too bad?
    Shake the dust off?

    We are all, all of us talking on Baptist Board, are going to be standing together in awe someday of Jesus and the Father.

    We are going to be worshiping the Lion of Judah together for eternity.

    We are sons and daughters right now as I type.

    That also makes us brothers and sisters.

    Stop biting our own body.

    Our responses to Luke should be in a spirit of love and forgiveness and grace.
    If grace doesn't work at first, we give him more grace.


    Grace
    We debate grace,
    Define grace
    Redefine grace
    Interlock grace with faith
    Debate interlocking grace and faith
    Claim we are under grace
    Declare without grace we are undone
    Are living in the age of grace
    Accuse each other as falling from grace
    Receive grace
    Teach grace


    and never give grace




    I hope someone reading these debates doesn't see Christianity as hateful, judging, and fearful. But they do.

    "Why would I want to believe in this Jesus you speak of? You are a most unhappy group, always fighting and judging each other"

    [crude language snipped]
    Let's all repent and treat each other like brothers in Christ, cause if you are in Christ, there is now no more condemnation.
     
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    He and a few others are convinced that their debate tactics wins people to calvinism. The have made that clear. There will be no change.
     
  10. plain_n_simple

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    I hope you are wrong but I understand you. When a voice gets so loud it is no longer humble, it begs a look at the fruit of his church and see the awesome growth and changes. Correct doctrine is worthless if not walked out. Dad used to call this where the rubber meets the road. Especially shepherds.
     
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    What I am saying is this is not just my opinion they have specifically posted that their debate tactics wins people over to calvinism.
     
  12. plain_n_simple

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    Wow. That's a mean spirit, imo
     
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