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Featured The Things a NeverTrumper with Integrity Should Now Admit They Were Wrong About Saying

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Benjamin, Feb 25, 2017.

  1. Rolfe

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    Re Trump's Christianity. Only Our Lord knows a man's heart. We are limited to what we can see. Is he a saved man? I do not know, but I do think that it is dangerous to judge the condition of one's soul based on shared views and values.
     
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  2. Benjamin

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    Well said about knowing one’s heart and the danger behind such judgment, although I’d add that judging by Trump’s allegiance and professions that one could conclude he is on track to give benefit to Christian values, in which the point to be made is that he supports these values that are/should be important to us.
     
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    If Trump is your example of a good Christian I question your judgement and who is the Lord of your life, Christ or the Republican Party.
     
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    Please quote where Hank used the word "good" in reference to the possibility that President Trump is a Christian.

    If you can't post it perhaps an apology is in order.
     
  5. HankD

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    OK so now you have judged me.

    President Trump is not here to defend himself but I will admit that I am by no means the picture of perfection in terms of being a Christian.

    However I am not a Republican but an independent (small "i"). Before that I was a blue-dog JFK Democrat (before the DNC supported abortion).

    There is no way either of us can know his heart. But he has given words to the effect that he is a Christian.

    HankD
     
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    Guess Trump didn't "flip-flop" on the Supreme Court appointment after all...
     
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    And what a bad testimony the Church has been toward Trump in the form of John Piper and others. Do these not realize it takes time for new Christians to become as pure as they are? Do they not realize they, themselves, also have a huge number of warts they've not yet successfully removed?

    And the irony is, those here accusing Trump of faithlessness will go ballistic if you ever so subtly suggest the same could be true about them. That's a big no no. But it's open season on Trump.
     
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    A lot of people here said he would. I have seen any apologies yet, but some may have.
     
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    Under Trump Medicare and medicaid won't be cut. Everybody will be covered by his new health plan and it will be much better than Obamacare as well as cheaper. He'[s going to drain the swamp. He's going to help blue collar workers instead of the rich.
     
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    Does trump act like a Christian at all, new or otherwise? I don't see it. maybe we have a different definition of Christian. Jesus said you must be born again.
     
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    Some of God's children are born Corinthian Christians, some Ephesian Christians.
    Some come quickly to maturity, OTOH some grieve the Holy Spirit, their local church and their pastor.

    HankD
     
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    This is not a statement of belief which would be "I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior." Referring to God can be a theist statement. Many of our founding fathers (Washington, Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, etc.) were not Christians but theists. Besides that Jesus said you must be born again meaning that a genuine Christian conversion will be accompanied by a change in life style that is recognizable. Please cite examples of Trump changing his life stye to conform to our perfect example which is Christ. What you're doing is putting the Republican Party above your Christian faith. I reject that completely.
     
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    He did not nominate a baby murderer to the SCOTUS.

    HankD
     
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    Yeah, that's a fruit of the Spirit, says so right there in Galatians.

    Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
     
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    Take the sunglasses off.

    HankD
     
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    That does not make him a Christian.
     
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    A fruit of the spirit if done outside a personal relationship with Christ is worthless. You're talking about salvation by works?
     
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    It didn't say it did.

    I did indicate it was a good thing since the liberal movement is a movement calling for the murder of innocents.

    HankD
     
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    I don't know if he is a Christian.
    I repeated his claim that he said he was.

    Some have demanded evidence.

    Some seem pleased that he is possibly lost and apparently would be delighted that he would be cast into the lake of fire.


    HankD
     
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    While not precisely stated, the implication (IMHO) sure seems to be there!!! :Frown:Frown:Frown
     
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