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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Jun 12, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

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    Eph 2 .8.9 Salvation is the gift not faith . Even John Calvin conceded that. Every English school teacher will show you the construction of that sentence its not the ' faith which is the Gift .
     
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    Exercising faith ? That's the NWT by the Jehovah witnesses..That's what they teach lol .
    rom 5
    1¶Therefore being justified by FAITH we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
    2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
     
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    what you have my friend Is an acute case of Buzz word itus ..Not every time you see the word ' faith ' is it the same ..Just like the word 'Justified ' or salvation, and these are used interchangeably : Destruction, soul , saved , ect .
    But these are were your really stumbling ( like every calvernist also and some Armins to ) ELECTION , ELECT , CHOSEN !!!! , PREDESTINATION !!!! ( ECHO ECHO !!! ) CALLED ( CALLED !! CALLED ! CALLED ) . These are like triggers for mind .
     
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    Day by day a believer grows in grace and knowledge. When we are glorified we will be conformed to His image
     
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    It is not either or but both.
     
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    Freely believe?
    Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of [the] God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'
     
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    Here are the verses in an easier English so that you can understand.

    John 6:28-29 NLT
    [28] They replied, "We want to perform God's works, too. What should we do?"

    [29] Jesus told them, "This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent."
     
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    This thread will be closed No Sooner than 9 PM ET/ 6 PM PT 15 Jun 2020
     
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    29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    Ok then . We are ' known ' intimately . Galations 4
    8¶Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
    9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
    When we first believe ( not before we are created ) Then we are predestined to future glorification. ( Guaranteed because of some Gnostic election in the mind of God before the foundation of the world? Too which we could never know we are one of the frozen chosen apart from our works , no but because we are sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption.
     
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    Roman's 4 .5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

    27¶Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
    28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
     
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    is there a problem?
     
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    Traditionally threads are closed after 8 pages or so. If you want to continue the subject, you can start another thread.
     
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    Apologies. my bad . thankyou
     
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    "dead" is Scripture.
     
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    What are you saying, that Barry just wrote 8 pages to Dave? (trying to be funny/ not so)
     
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    Exactly so the predestination is not something that happened before the foundation of the world. When and after we believe the Gospel and then we are sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption. Then we are predestined . This predestination does not happen in eternity past for individuals or groups .
     
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    Dead is a word which in context means several things . A certain Church in revelation and a prodigal son were called ' dead ' .
     
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    2 Corinthians 3:18
    But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
     
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