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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Miss E, Jun 20, 2020.

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  1. Miss E

    Miss E Active Member

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    give me scripture and not your own wisdom please

    I consider myself a CHRIST-follower and don’t hold to a man made position I stand upon Gods truth
     
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    Quote scripture please and stop throwing me your rubbish twisted interpretation of works and grace.
     
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    Faith is needed to believe , without it God can’t save anyone who doesn’t believe on His son.

    love is a relationship it takes BOTH parties involved to love the other

    May God tear down your prideful thinking and bless your heart
     
    #63 Miss E, Jun 22, 2020
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    God hasn’t shown me in that your view is true to the one I hold to. Sorry brother I just won’t accept God chose certain people to life and others to hell that paints God as an unloving God, we choose where we go based on our faith in Jesus

    Your view puffs up the chosen peoples pride and to me it makes you look at others as if you’re better and we’re all the same, each one has a choice, just because God didn’t convict your heart to choose him makes them any less loved than the ones that enter into heaven
     
    #64 Miss E, Jun 22, 2020
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    My faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God which all men need to hear from us preachers and evangelists to give them the opportunity to exercise their faith to believe or reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ amen
     
    #65 Miss E, Jun 22, 2020
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    Did you understand what I was getting at? And I did quote Scripture.
     
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    Let me ask you this, does God condemn people who don’t choose Him (or in your case who he does not choose based on nothing but the fact God chose to not pick them as His chosen) or do people condemn themselves when they do not have faith to believe ?

    If God is all loving , yet also all holy, how could you say God sends people to hell based on his own choice? That paints an awfully wicked God to me to sent whom he pleases to hell without giving them freedom to choose, that is, a chance to choose Faith and be changed by God and given a new heart of flesh. Is that the position you and these others stand for?

    God condemns the lost or do the lost condemn themselves and if the lost do indeed condemn themselves, doesn’t that mean they chose to die in their sins? Or did God, being not all loving, throw them down to hell for not having faith in Jesus?
     
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    Yes
     
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    That’s a wicked wicked doctrine to hold to, but who am I to judge ?
     
    #69 Miss E, Jun 22, 2020
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    In other words, no, you did not understand my post at all. Hint: Not everyone is attacking your position.
     
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    Doctrine? Where does it say that all babies go to heaven? There is no scripture that teaches an age of accountability.
     
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    Answer my question.
     
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    And you really believe an all loving God would damn a baby without the ability to see or speak In it’s mother’s womb ?
    Disgraceful view on God
     
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    Sorry if you were agreeing with me it seems almost everyone hear is against my view. So my bad I got a bit emotionally charged, but hey I am a woman :rolleyes:
     
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    You’re guilty of what you’ve accused me of. I said it’s too much work to go back into the archives and list every scripture that led me to become a 4 point Calvinist. You claimed I was relying on my own words vs the scripture. Your view of an age of accountability found nowhere in scripture is in your head. Furthermore, you’re opinion on a “loving God” is from the created’s vantage point and is based in human emotions.

    If I go to a park and give a $5 bill to 5 homeless people there and don’t give to the other 5 homeless in the park am I being unfair?
     
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    I wasn't just agreeing with you but mentioning some of the roadblocks that make the discussion nigh impossible. There are certain terms and certain concepts that just won't match up, as people are starting from different premises.
     
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    Very true, my sister.

    The Bible says that faith is necessary to salvation...
    It is needed for us as men to believe on His Son and it is needed for us to endure all of our trials and tribulations in this life and keep believing.
    Because of it, God credits our faith in His Son as righteousness ( Romans 4 ).

    Without faith, it is impossible to please God ( Hebrews 11:6 )...
    Romans 10:8-10, Romans 10:17.
    Again, Amen.
    But The Lord Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of that faith ( Hebrews 12:2 ).

    Yet, that same faith is something that not all men have ( 2 Thessalonians 3:2 ), because it is a gift ( Ephesians 2:8 ).
    It is also a fruit of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22 ).
    Therefore, faith is from God via the Spirit of God.

    However, God can and does save people apart from us performing any action or set of actions in order to merit His favor.
    Eternal life is, without a doubt, a gift, not a reward for making the right choice.
    Amen.
    This has nothing to do with pride, sister.

    This is about acknowledging His right to save whom He chooses, for that is what the Bible describes salvation as...
    A product of His mercy and grace, not our efforts at pleasing Him.
    In fact, election bypasses human pride completely, and we then find ourselves abased in His presence...
    The recipients of a true gift, and not something that our choice of Him would have ever merited.

    The Bible is very specific about our condition before Him as men...
    We hate Him and love our sin ( Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, John 3:19-20 and many others ).

    The Lord Jesus Himself said that we are to marvel not, that the world hates us...
    Why?
    Because it hated Him first ( 1 John 3:13 ), and before we believed the Gospel, He didn't matter to us, did He?
    I speak from experience.

    At 12 years old before I heard the preaching of the cross in a Baptist church, I did not care that I was a sinner, neither did I care that my sins offended Him.
    That all changed the day I heard His words, but it took many years for me to start loving Him for saving me.

    That very same book tells us why we love Him as believers...
    Because He first loved us ( 1 John 4:19 ).
    Remember that.

    Our will would have been to continue on in our sins ( Romans 1:30-32 )...
    We would have been as others are, dead in our sins with no care about God ( Ephesians 4:17-19 ).
    But He loved us, even when we were dead in those sins ( Romans 5:8, Ephesians 2 ) and didn't care one bit about Him or His ways.


    May God bless you greatly in the coming years, and in your continued studies of His precious words.
     
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    Back atcha!

    Where in the Bible does it teach that God chooses us based on a decision, He knew we would make? No where at all.

    Your links don't identify who wrote what and based on what? But they did teach that Christians are chosen by God at least 4 times.



    Don't add to scripture.
     
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    Where does Faith come from?
     
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    6 But whoso shall offend one of
    these little ones which believe in me,
    it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
     
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