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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. JonC

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    We need a reality check here.

    In another thread I used the word "heresy" to indicate that there are doctrines that are within Christianity but are of a substantial difference to cause and maintain division within Christian groups, denominations, and congregations.

    @Martin Marprelate accused me of using a “secular definition” of heresy as opposed to a “biblical definition”. I was just trying to use the English word. But he is right. I was using the word according to its definition (its “secular” definition) and not reaching back to for some obscure or biblical meaning. I meant the English word - the "dictionary definition" - (not a French, Latin, Greek or Kinglon form of a base word).


    BUT by saying I am using a “secular definition” rather than a “biblical definition” @Martin Marprelate has also shown that he is being dishonest about the context of my post. He KNOWS what I was saying but object's to my use of a "secular definition" and provides his own definition. This is not honest discussion. This is the de-contextualization of my words to reconstruct them in another context in order to be offended and complain. It is wrong.


    @InTheLight is right, it is obvious that this clique of Calvinists on the BB are offended by just about anything I say. The reason is because they are less than honest with what I do say.

    Look, I am not the most articulate and certainly not the most politically correct. I say enough stupid stuff that there is no need to make stuff up about what I do say.
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    Arminianism is far from Calvinism right now in its theology!
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    Heresy is any doctrine or theology that goes against what has been established as being valid and orthodox viewpoints! It is clear contradiction of what the scriptures teach...
     
  4. JonC

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    I agree. Heresy is "unorthodox" doctrine. That was my point to @Martin Marprelate when he made those accusations against me. Typically it is "unorthodox" to Catholic doctrine, but I think it can be applied (by definition) to other sects and groups.
     
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    In what way ? please.
     
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    It’s pretty strong here in Colorado. I visited a SBC church where the pastor included a warning for those that were joining the church and wanted to bring in Calvinism—saying “don’t do it”.


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    By that definition, at least the first sentence (and I’m not saying it’s incorrect), Jesus’ teachings were heretical.

    And I’m sure it was clear enough to the religious leaders that it was wrong scripturally that they were willing to have Jesus crucified over it.


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    Indeed, Jesus is still considered a heretic and cult leader in Orthodox Judaism.
     
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    I'm not sure how it is here on the SC GA line (I have been here a couple of years but have not noticed). So here could be like @Revmitchell 's experience.

    But the Nashville area certainly was more like you saw in CO. I remember a preacher simply saying that God is in control. A man stood up and said "but not against our will"....lol.
     
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    Yes, as he is still seen as being a false Messiah, who got what he deserved!
     
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    Speaking of Heresy how come in all this post no one has mentioned a book that a heard preacher say is a must read for every Christian... Against Heresies, First Volume In The Anti-Nicene Fathers Collections by Saint Irenaeus Of Lyons... I've got it, in my library, you got it in yours?... Not nitpicking just a heads up... Those who don't have it, you might pick it up... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Oh Oh Oh.....I got it.....and actually reference it often.

    Us heretics have to know what we are up against.
     
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    Well you know what they say Jon, it takes one to know one!... Glad to meet you Brother Heretic!!!... Is that a put down or an honor?... I let those who don't know, what you know and I know figure that one out... Still the same old Jon... Brother Glen:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao

    Btw... Right next to my KJV is the Heresy Manual;)
     
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    What heresies would be addressed that long ago though?
     
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    Ah, ha, ha... Read the book!... Ancient Heresies that allow the present heresies to exist... They didn't appear out of thin air... You think this is some new thing?... Think again!!!... Here's a link just for you, Yeshua1... Brother Glen:)

    Its some very deep stuff... Enjoy!

    Irenaeus of Lyons
     
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    Many of the doctrines we have today were reactionary as products of the earlier churches addressing and working through heresies.
     
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