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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AustinC, Mar 1, 2023.

  1. Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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    The sword and Christian Nationalism have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Revelation 13:10 says nothing at all about Christian Nationalism.
     
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    "If any man provide not for his own, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel."

    That includes protecting one's family, with deadly force if necessary.
     
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    Where're you from? Are you English or American?
     
  4. JonC

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    I'm not commenting about what other Christians should do. That's between them and God.

    But it is interesting that we look up to early Christians who died for Christ without taking up the sword.

    There seems to be inconsistencies in how we look back at the martyrs, how we consider the "great cloud of witnesses", how we think of the martyrs at the throne and how we live our lives.
     
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    Were the victors the choice of God?

    Did the war itself take place relative to the plan of God or not according to God's plan and God adjusted to it?

    When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deut 32:8

    Maybe some of them out grew their space. Who knows.
     
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    Were the victors the choice of God?

    Did the war itself take place relative to the plan of God or not according to God's plan and God adjusted to it?

    When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deut 32:8

    Maybe some of them out grew their space. Who knows.
     
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    That's all fine and well for those who believe that self-defense is unbiblical. I don't, however, believe that it is loving my neighbor to stand by and watch them be murdered, raped, etc. If you could find a passage in the word proclaiming otherwise I would be interested, or if you can tell me why it IS in fact loving to stand by and allow it, I would be extremely intrigued to see that. Until then I will feel no pang of conscience about using deadly force to stop an individual from committing a violent crime.
     
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    God is the Creator and ordains all things that come to pass. The Creator acts on His creation, He doesn't react or adjust to His creation,
     
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    Daniel 11 uses this phrase: "At the appointed time."
     
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    Where're you from? Are you English or American?
     
  11. George Antonios

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    Dispensationally that is aimed at tribulation saints, not church age saints.
    Of course, some principles carry over across dispensations, but failure to observe the dispensational context never results in a correct interpretation.
    Also, taking up the sword for warfare, and taking up the sword to defend your wife and kids, are two very different contexts.
     
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    Jesus said, ". . . I will build my church; . . ." So then do you actually believe His church will end and exclude belivers. Revelation 7:14, ". . . These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. . . ."
     
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    Of course not ! First off, his job was security guard, so he was just doing his job. Second, it's never wrong to defend innocent people against harm. Third, I believe what God doesn't want is trying to force another to worship Him by threat of force, as Moslems did & do. Remember, Sportzz Fanzz, Jesus made suew His disciples had some swords among themselves-not to force their worship on others, but to defend themselves against highwaymen, etc. But He certainly didn't prohibit the use of force.
     
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  14. George Antonios

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    Not all believers are part of the church, the body of Christ.
    There are different saved spiritual entities:
    Israel the wife of the Father
    The church is the wife of the Son (all who are saved by faith alone, from, basically, the cross to the church's rapture)
    Then there will guests, queens, maidens, friends, at the wedding.
    Tribulation saints are saved, but they do not form a part of the body of Christ.
     
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    So then they have no part in Revelation 21:1-27?
     
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    Who do you mean by "they"? (just to be clear)
     
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    The "Not all believers are part of the church, the body of Christ."
     
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    Revelation 21: 12-14, ". . . the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: . . . names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. . . ."
     
  20. George Antonios

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    Would you care to elaborate? Because my instinct is to reply: "precisely".
     
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