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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Apr 8, 2023.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Tell them the entire gospel of Christ from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. There is no valid reason anyone who claims to be a Christian should be opposed to doing so.
     
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    Sounds like you believe that statements that are exclusive in nature are overridden by statements that are, on the surface, general in nature. Is that correct about your view?
     
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    "first of all" - apparently you have ignored that phrase. First means that there were other things afterward.
     
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    Ken. You do alright. Use this instead:
     
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    No, it does not. I would not have expected Christ to say, "Given for all of you except for Judas."

    It is no different than when the congregation of which I am a part has the Lord's Supper and Scriptures about Christ shedding His blood are read. There could be some there who are not really saved; God knows who are His elect and who are not.

    Seems to be a lot of effort on this board to spread the false teaching that Christ paid the sin debt of people and then God will make those people pay the same sin debt, also.
     
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    You are make a generalization of some kind. So you are probably wrong in what ever you think you mean.

    I gave few specifics.

     
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    You deny the Bibical redemption. 1 John 2:2.
     
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    No, I do not.
     
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    Then you agree Jesus Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole of mankind.
    1 John 2:2, ". . . And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. . . ."
     
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    No, if I agree with that, then I would be agreeing with a false teaching.

    See my post #42 earlier in this thread.
     
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    I found this debate.

     
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    That is a odd comment coming from a Calvinist. Under your Calvinism why bother telling someone that is reprobate the gospel as they can not be saved and why tell the "so called elect" as they do not need to be saved. The command to preach the gospel to everyone a valid command for the non-calvinist but is just window dressing for a Calvinist.
     
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    Can't read a full post I see.
     
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    Well, it would seem, we both believe each other believe something that is not true.
     
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    Well, Dr Brown accepts Dr Hernandez as a brother in the Lord. But Dr Hernandez believes Dr Brown is not yet saved, because he does not accept Dr Brown's view of atonement is according to the true gospel.
     
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    1. God commanded it - Matthew 28:19-20.

    2. God is absolutely totally sovereign and He has ordained the means:

    Romans 10:13-15 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
     
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    Dr. Hernandez teaches those who do not believe in particular atonement are not saved! Watch end of video. He does not believe Dr Brown is saved. Post #71
     
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    1. For the record, I am friends with Sonny Hernandez on Facebook.

    2. Do you think a person can be saved under a false gospel which conditions salvation on man and not 100% by the free grace of God?

    Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
     
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    I like to listen to Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones sermons since they are available on-line and he's recent enough that they are preserved in his own voice. I have been listening to his series on Ephesians. They are easy to find and start I think with sermon no. 4001. I bring him up because he gives a pretty powerful case for the truth of the doctrines of grace and Calvinism in general but he maintains that this is not a salvation issue. We all need to come to Christ by faith. Good debate on a theological level is fine but I wouldn't question the other side's salvation. Lloyd-Jones makes the point that a Calvinist more that anyone should be aware that God can save us even when we stumble doctrinally.
     
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    But those commands must only apply to the non-calvinist as for the calvinist they would have no valve.

    You just do not seem to understand your own theology, the reality of which leads to this:
    The absolutely elect must have been saved without him; and the non-elect cannot be saved by him.

    But that is a good text that you quoted as it proves free will.
    Romans 10:13-15 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things.
     
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