Featured 1 Peter (Discussion about Redemption)

1 Peter 1:22–2:25

22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart,
23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.
24 For,
“All flesh is like grass,
And all its glory like the flower of grass.
The grass withers,
And the flower falls off,
25 But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
And this is the word which was preached to you.
Chapter 2
1 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
2 like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
As Living Stones
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 For this is contained in Scripture:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,
“The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,” 8 and,
“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.
12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Honor Authority
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,
14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.
15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.
16 Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.
17 Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable.
19 For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly.
20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
Christ Is Our Example
21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,
22 who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth;
23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;
24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
25 For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.

 

@Martin Marprelate

You have argued that this passage states Christ is our substitute.

Please point out the passage that says this, and if you will put in bold those words, that way there can be no doubt of what we are arguing.

Thanks

 

The post @Martin Marprelate pointed out was 1 Peter 2:24:
21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,
22 who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth;
23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;
24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

This passage points out several important truths:

1. We are called to the sane purpose as Christ - to suffer for what is right and bear it patiently trusting God's justice.
2. Christ set an example that we are to follow.
3. Although abused Christ did not return that abuse but trusted in God's judgment.
4. Christ bore our sins in His body.
5. The reason Christ bore our sins bodily is so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness.

What is missing from this passage? Nothing. But what does the passage NOT say?

The passage does not say that God punished Christ as our substitute.

Christ bore our sins. He suffered abuse patiently trusting in God's righteousness.

Why add to Scripture?

 

The purpose of the Cross was God reconciling man to Himself. We can now urge men to be reconciled to God. Man is reconciled to God through Christ's death and saved through His life.

The fact that we can bear our brothers sins and suffer for righteousness is because of the cross.

Do Scripture itself explains the Cross without having to add to it.

Christ bore our sins. This does not mean He bore our sins instead of us or as a substitute for us (you add that to the Bible). It means He bore our sins bodily. He became a curse for us, He who knew no sin was made sin. He is our Representative (the "Last Adam").

Like you point out, we can bear one another's sins. This does not mean instead of the other. You are adding to the Word. Redemption is not Christ bearing g our dins instead of us but Christ being without sin bearing our sin for us (on our behalf, our benefit, in pur interest). By His stripes we are healed.

If promise you that if we stick to Scripture we do not need to add the ideas you are adding.

 

The Word became flesh, shared in our infirmaty and was obedient even to death on a cross. He became a curse for us. He patiently endured abuse by the wicked trusting the righteousness judgment of God. This was God's will - Christ did what was right. And God judged Him righteous, men esteemed Him stricken by God but it was for then He died. God vindicated Christ (glorified Him, judged righteously).

You will suffer the wages of sin (as all do, for it is appointed man once to die and then the Judgment). You are under the curse, but freed from the curse (death is there, but has no "sting").

And you will be judged. If "on that day" you are found to be wicked then you will face God's wrath. If, however, you are found righteous then you will escape the wrath to come. It all depends on whether you are born of the Spirit ot remain in the flesh.

 

It is the NASB. I started to ask you which ypu preferred. It does not matter to me.

1 Peter 2:20–25 (NASB)

20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
Christ Is Our Example
21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,
22 who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth;
23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;
24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
25 For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.

1 Peter 2:20–25 (NKJV): 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. 21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.


Neither translation states that Christ is our substitute.

 

Sins do not have physical weight, they are not things.

Jesus had to become a curse, had to die, had to share in our infirmity.

It is odd that for fifteen centuries Christianity survived with out the things you add. Have you ever considered that your additions actually take away from God's Word rather than improving it?

 

I agree Jesus bore our sins. And I agree this is why He suffered. But it is not in the Bible that Jesus bore our sins so that we don't have to. 1 Peter pretty much dismantled that error (if you just accept the passage as written).