2 Peter 3:9

You're right, Wes, Christians aren't a nationality. This thread is about 2 Peter 3:9, to which you agree that it is written to believers.


The "us" statement is about us believers. In the second clause the statement, "any," is necessarily delimited by this "us," so that it must refer to "any of us."

You said you "shot down Calvin" in your previous post, but, by quoting John 6, you ended up agreeing with Calvin, with whom you say you disagree.

You say, "All I'm saying is that by limiting the word of God to ones own perspective only limits one's own understanding of God's word. " I agree, but it is equally as important not to read your assumptions into the text. There are plenty of places where the context of such references as "any" and "all," and "the world," can not always be unlimited as you would suggest. To say otherwise is to go beyond the scope of the text itself.

 

Gene, I don't believe that I have in any way limited God's word. There may have been an "elect" when the Old Testament was written, but with the New covenent, and the fact that Israel, God's elect, did not receive Jesus,the Messiah, "the elect whose names are written in the lambs book of life from the foundation of the world has changed scope to include All who have faith in God the son, the Messiah, Jesus.

The quoting of John 6 is neither approval nor disapproval of Calvin. I am neither Calvinist nor Arminian, though leaning toward Arminius. I believe both have solid biblical basis for their positions. But, both of them were mere mortal men whose opinions are just that...opinions!

 

Southern,

I really don't give a rip about "re-formed understanding of election". I do care about what the scriptures say to me! And so far, what you've been saying about the scriptures does not square with the clear text!