2 Peter 3:9

I do not believe I was born saved. I was born a sinner like the rest of mankind.

I placed my faith in Christ to become saved, but the reason I did that, the Bible says, is that I was elected in Christ before the foundation of the world...before I ever existed. At the proper time (according to God's timing) I was regenerated and responded to the Gospel and Christ and was saved.

What does that have to do, though, with your previous statement which I thought was anachronistic? I'm having a rough time wrapping my mind around your argument.

Blessings,

The Archangel

 

Oh, I understand what irresitible grace is, and that it is false. I pushed God away more times than I can think of(and not proud of it either).

Now to not hijack this thread. How can anyone correlate Matt. 19:16-22 with John 6:44? It states in Matt. 19 that "one came and said unto Him.....", so how can someone/anyone articulate these two with one another?

I look forward to any and all replies!! I love you all!!

i am I am's!!

Willis

Willis

 

Irresistible grace wins out. How many times do you think Saul of Tarsus kicked against the goads?

 

I bolded a portion of your post to address it. If it is "irresistible", then why did Saul even kick once? If it was "irresistible", he would have said "yea Lord" the first time. However, very few of us say "yea Lord" the first time He visits us. Or at least I didn't say it the first time He came to me. So if he didn't say "yea Lord" the first, or even second time, then he must have "resisted", right? I am just saying......

Now, again. How can anyone correlate Matt. 19:16-22 with John 6:44???

I'll be waiting for any and all replies. Thanks in advance.

 

I'll answer your questions as soon as you answer my post before you went irresisitible grace on me in the midst of election. You skipped my entire post.

Fair enough?

 

An example of a militant Calvinist, out to convert non-Calvinists to Calvinism.

 

You have not demonstrated that you understand irresistible grace. You may reject it, and that's fine. However, you are caricaturing it, falsely, I might add.

So, while I absolutely accept and celebrate your right to disagree with and reject irresistible grace, you should have the courtesy to paint an accurate portrait of what it is.

Blessings,

The Archangel

 

This is a false comparison. It is like comparing a square and a circle, suggesting they are the same thing.

Unfortunately, in the Matthew passage, you are ignoring vs. 23-30 which give a great understanding to the context of the vs 16-22.

So, until we are comparing apples to apples or oranges to oranges, you will have to go without an answer, because there is no such thing as an "appleorange."

Blessings,

The Archangel

 

TC!

Friend, is this all of us?

Blessings,

The Archangel

PS. On a completely different subject--I know you are fond of the TNIV, are you looking forward to the NIV2011?

 

Willis,
here is your answer to mt22 given under the chapter dealing with effectual calling, read ,learn, and enjoy!

this comes from the 1689 baptist confession of faith which you can read or save to your 'favorites' if you would like;

Also Willis......you made a wrong statement earlier saying that Jesus does not send anyone to hell.....they send themselves.
this false view contradicts so many clear verses as Mt 7:21-24, mt25 rev20 jn 3:17-18

 

Then again.....it could just be believers seeking to be faithful to their Lord and correcting error that seeks to give full ability ,power, and glory to the dead sinner, and who seek to undermine [in their own philosophical and emotional worldview ] the true and living God who has revealed Himself as the Great Sovereign....

 

All those who enter torment justly for their sins, were never part of the covenant death and saving atonement that Jesus accomplished for those given to him by the Father.

 

How can you be "in Christ" before actually being in Christ? We are in Christ via faith, unless you had faith in Christ before the foundation of the world, which would make you really old

 

OK, your answer is NO, that is about the only thing I understood. Can you simplify for me.

 

While I don't agree with your perceived "sub fallacy"...the same problem remains in your understanding. Why is He being patient, "waiting" for them to believe when He is the one regenerating, giving repentance and faith? He would have to be waiting on Himself using your soteriology.
Also, it defies any kind or grammar and reason to state He doesn't want any of His elect to perish, as by definition of "elect" it is IMPOSSIBLE for any of them to perish!

 

While I'm not all that old (though I feel it--bad knees and bad back), I think you are missing what the text is saying. Ephesians 1:4 clearly says "He (God) chose us." "Chose us" is the main verb and it is clearly describing God's action. When did He do the choosing? Before the foundation of the world. How did He do it? In Christ. Why did He do it? That we should be holy and blameless before Him.

Now, Ephesians, and other books, talk about the concept of "In Christ." There is a union between Christ and His elect (those chosen by God). Now, this union is a bit mystical and difficult to explain but it is clear that Jesus uniquely represents His elect before God. So, when Jesus was on the cross it is as if all of His elect were on the cross. When He was in the grave it is as if all His elect were in the grave. When He rose from the dead it is as if all His elect were raised from the dead.

This is why Paul says

And in 1 Corinthians, Paul writes:

So, there is a union and we enter into this union not by our own will, but by God's choosing.

The Archangel

 

Those are some wonderful truths that have given great comfort and joy to God's people down through the ages. Thanks Archangel.