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Timothy was not literally Paul’s son. He considered him his son in the faith. Timothy was a Gentile.

You failed to prove your point.... again.

Edit to add: Acts 16:1-2. Timothy’s father was Gentile and mother was Jewish. Paul circumcised him so as not to offend Jews as they ministered the gospel.

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Just did, See my edited comments in post #2, and study scripture a little more before you post something as proof of doctrine. Just saying

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You did read and comprehend the passage, didn't you sir?
It clearly says that Timothy's father was a gentile ( Greek ).

 

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In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek.
Galatians 3:28

 

You said Timothy was Paul’s son. That was wrong. Clearly you did little research before posting.

Paul is concerned with Timothy serving as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. His use of “elect” is referring to those under Timothy’s ministry. Christians.

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I am aware of Jewish tradition concerning genealogies. That doesn’t come into play in 2 Tim.

Timothy was raised as a Christian, both his grandmother and mother were Christians. Timothy was a Christian when Paul met him and his family.

Paul has identified himself in 2 Tim as the Apostle to the Gentiles. His focus for Timothy is to serve as a Christian minister to Gentiles in Eph.

His use of “elect” in 2Tim is referring to Christians in general and Gentile Christians in particular.

I don’t know much about OUR brother Dave (and I hope you consider him a brother in Christ), but he seems to have reasonable arguments based on scripture.

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Now it us clear why he holds ideas no one else does. What is worse is he does not want the answers

 

There appears to be a strong conviction the word “elect” can only apply to Jews.

It is a unique argument, to me, to dismiss NT passages concerning election to salvation.

There is an acknowledgement of the meaning of “elect”, just a refusal to see it applies to Christians.

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How cam one be saved then, and not be one of the Elect?

 

I’ll let MB speak to that since I don’t follow that belief.

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So God ha s a salvation plan for the Jews, and another for the gentiles?

 

Whether Timothy was a Jew is irrelevant. Timothy was a Christian minister in Ephesus. Paul identified himself as an apostle to the Gentiles, then comes the passage concerning enduring for the “elect”.

The context is clear. Paul was referring to Christians in general and Gentile Christians in particular when he used the word “elect”.

We are just talking passed each other now, so I’ll leave you to it.

Thanks for the conversation

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He does not understand the flow of biblical revelation.
Only Israel was given the written word of God. God had at first singled them out.
Romans 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Of course it sounds like Israel only; Deut7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

God had made provision for the gentiles in the Covenant but The rejection during the Truimphal entry needed to officially happen.